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Hello Rabbi
Could you clear up something for me regarding the use of the Hebrew word echad by nominal Christians who say it means a “compund one”.
So could you tell me what echad actually means?
Echad means “one” – it could refer to either a compund unity or an absolute unity – it depends on the context.
I think the real question is what the difference is between Yachid (Yachad) and Echad, for often the claim is made that because the Shema speaks about Echad this means that G-d is not an absolute one. But there are many scriptures proving G-d is indeed one.
SHEMA ISRAEL ADONAI ELOHEINU ADONAI ECHAD PRINCIPIO FUNDAMENTAL DE NOSSA FÉ JUDAICA.SHALOM!
Thanks so much. That is the issue. The New Covenant is not quite the same as the old.
Paul has always been offensive to Jews, of course.
Thanks for plain talk.
Anthony
Sir Anthony
Would you be interested on debating the matter on a forum I could open on this blog?
I appreciate your plain talk as well
Yisroel
I want to make only one or to major points. That the Shema is a unitarian creed. And That ONE in English and Hebrew never ever MEANS ‘more than one’.” That is a falsehood. ONE means one single, always.
Of course ONE can modify any noun in the world and of course this included collective nouns.
But ONE is still One.
Could you bring in expert Hebraists to affirm this very easy fact?
I will simply say that no Lexicon of Hebrew could possibly argue for a “compound one”
There is a iittle hint in the regrettable TWOT! But not in any other Lexicon.
My desire would be to have this meaning of ONE established beyond cavil, Jews were unbending unitarians. It is an assult on the Hebrew Bible, preserved by Jews, to say that there is Trinitarianism in the Hebrew Bible!
I would also ask you to affirm the Massoretic pointing unless in rare cases there is some EVIDENCE of alteration as for example in Ps 110:3!
I would ask you to bring expert opinion for the fact that ADONI AND ADONAI ARE DISTINCT WORDS WITH DISTINCT MEANINGS.
Anthony
Sir Anthony
There can be no question that the Hebrew word “echad” means precisely what the word “one” means in the English language. Those who argue for other meanings – such as “alone” – are not attempting to present literal translation – rather they are explaining what they see as the message.
As for your second point – the only way I have to verify the vowelization of the word “adoni” in Psalm 110 is through the Aramaic translations and through the Midrashim – all of them predate the Masorites and all of them confirm the Masoretic rendering of the word.
Where can I find these? Have been Googling any and all sources and all I have come up with are Orhtodox/Messianic sounding articles. One of which had this incredible statement:
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/notes/Aramaic_Deity_Discoveries.php
Xavier
There are several Aramaic targumim and many midrashim – I will attempt to compile a list for you during the next few days
Rabbi, Yes, absolutely right. Some others are doing something much worse than arguing for “alone,” they are using the treacherous term “compound one” and even appealing to Lexicons for support. This is very deceptive, but people are determined to believe that ADONAI is Triune! I find this an awful insult to the Hebrew people who preserved the text, and for the NT scriptures. It is an insult to the intelligence to say that “one tripod” means that one can really mean three! Lexicons are quite clear about ONE!
There is one rogue “hint” in one inferior Lexicon, TWOT. The writer says that “One stresses unity while recognizing diversity”.
That is very clever and monstrously misleading. We ALL know that ONE can modify any collective noun! That does not mean that ONE means more than ONE.
A collective noun of course implies plurality, but the word one means one! (Forgive my stating the obvious).
Thanks for you good idea about verification of adoni. I can show that the Greek LXX and also NT Kurios mou confirms it too. But do you have easily to hand a confirmation from Aramaic, which would read MARI, I suppose, or from the Targum? There ought to be no need to have to oppose the stupid idea that YHVH speaks to ADONAI in Ps 110:1.
In addition Jesus in the NT speaks of the Human Being (Son of Man) at the right hand and Peter uses Ps 110:1 to say that Jesus has “been made lord and Messiah” (Acts 2:34ff.) and no one imagined that ADONAI could be made anything.
I hope that as many rabbis as possible will add their weight against this appalling assault on Hebrew Scripture and English and Hebrew language.
English ONE and Hebrew ONE obviously function just alike. Monotheism, undefiled, is important for us all!
Anthony
Sir Anthony
The Targums that I am refering to are more midrashic than literal word-for-word translations – but they make clear that the subject is a human being.
As for the Rabbis weighing in – I am sure you are aware that collective Israel has weighed in on this with their lives – tens if not hundreds of thousands went to their deaths because they believed that their covenant with God demands that they reject any claims for God’s plurality or for the deification of any human. If the testimony of the witness nation didn’t speak to the Church – I am afraid logic will not do the trick.
But, Sir Anthony – the truth is indestructible – when you have the truth – you can take on the world – because the God of truth is with you.
I remain your Pharisee friend
Rabbi, Thanks so much. These are powerful words and you are right. Not only noble Jewish martyrs but also Christian martyrs for the same cause of monotheism in the wonderful heritage of the Tanach. We are protesting the death of Servetus by Calvin. As you know the murder of Servetus came about because he refused to cave into the Triune idea.
You are of course right that the Targums never imagined anything but a human being for Ps. 110:1. Adoni is of course in the Tanach always a non-Deity reference. That is why we protest the current idea of some that the Jews actually fiddled the vowel points and that the text should be ADONAI speaking to adonai!
Ghastly.
Thanks for you inspirational words below..
Hi Rabbi , i heard Messianic Jew Art Katz speak of going toe to toe every wed with a Rabbi Blumenthal , and how much he loved that exchange. is that you ? and if so , did you ever mention Art in any of your books .? and if so what book , and where can i find it ? thanks , Rocket
One more thing Rabbi , i would be interested in your take on Soren Kierkegaard’s 3rd chapter of ”Fear and Trembling” called ”is there a teleological supsension of the ethical” in its relation to Abraham transcending the Socratic sphere of Ethics in his willingness to obey God in giving up Isaac . As a Gentile Christian of many years , i had a chance to teach this to the Atheist group here on campus , and they were very interested and had lots of questions .
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Just a suggestion for the 1000 verses blog. Please consider expanding the capacity of “recent comments” from the current 5 to 10.
I’m thinking I might not be the only one that has a crazy schedule. And for me it’s hit and sometimes miss on when I can attend to blog discussions. The “recent comments” feature really helps in saving time to quickly get to the latest, when time is in short supply.
Thanks for considering
David
I would think that 1 Corinthians 15:28 also supports our position as Jews that “adoni” is the correct reading in Psalm 110:1. There they paraphrase from said Psalm, and clearly depict a Yeshu that is not divine or G-d, but rather submitted and subservient to our Heavenly Father, the only true G-d, and that our Heavenly Father will be the focus of worship of all in all. If Psalm 110:1 being paraphrased here, really meant that the messiah was G-d himself, etc., they would have written 1 Cor 15:28 to reflect that very idea. However, there just the opposite is presented, exactly as us Jews have teaching for millenia.
It is good to have Jewish support for the very easy fact that Echad (one) means one and not more!
Children know this quite well! The latest attempt by some (desperate to justify Triinitarianism) is to say that Paul calls Christ LORD GOD in I Cor 8:4-6. This is quite wrong. Paul calls Jesus the lord Christ over and over again and Paul never imagined more than one Person as YHVH. I speak as a Christian, believing that the original creed of Christians is the shema as affirmed by Jesus. Paul and Jesus have an uncomplicated view of how many are GOD! John 17:3; Mk 12:29 and of course I Tim, 2:5. None of this is hard.
Mr. Buzzard, it’s also a very easy fact that Jesus did not qualify to be the Messiah, did not fulfill any of the messianic prophecies, and started a religion in whose name much blood was shed throughout the centuries.
Peace and blessings,
Dina Bucholz
Negative site. Are you worried about Michael Brown? He probably thinks he is doing good leading Christians to the Jewish Jesus. Somehow the fact that he cannot reconcile xianity to the plain teaching of Torah does not bother him, or it is a tension that he can live with seeing that he has a successful and thriving ministry.
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Dear rabbi have you looked at this :
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.com/2014/03/contra-blumenthal-examination-of-contra.html?m=1
Kol tuv Zack
Shalom Rabbi!
I heard from Dr Michael Brown that Targum Yonasan says that in Isaiah 53 the servant is Meshicha. And I here see that it says
הָא יַצְלַח עַבְדִי **מְשִׁיחָא** יְרוּם וְיִסְגֵי וְיִתְקוֹף לַחֲדָא:
Is that a problem? Because normally rabbis reply to evangelists by saying that “the servant” isn’t the messiah, but rather the people of Israel.
I would love to know
Many thanks!
Yishai
Shalom Yishai
I addressed this in Contra Brown – note xlv – The person of Messiah will emerge from the community of Israel. All of the suffering that Israel experienced will be part of the national consciousness of the Messiah.
I wrote about this in other paces as well – the point is that the messianic and national interpretations are not exclusive from the Jewish perspective