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  1. Dear Yisrael Chaim

    The elephant and the suit is an interesting piece, and I agree with Jo about its measured tone, and you may be right about inconsistency in the use of the Talmud, I can’t defend MB since I’ve only read one of his volumes. However the piece also makes some large claims and ones which don’t seem to show much acquaintance with Christian exegesis. For example the claim that the matrilineal descent of Messiah (apart from his adopted patrilineal line) is based on Isa.7.14 alone, shows no awareness of the significance of a Zelophadite inheritance, that the second coming is based only on Daniel 7.13 a remarkable poverty of acquaintance with Gentile interaction with the prophets, that the book of Jonah shows no evidence of the importance of a blood sacrifice for repentance, when Jonah himself was sacrificed (1.14, a key aspect of the sign of Jonah), and if he had not been would Nineveh have been saved?, that covenants in their essential nature, lying at the root of the Divine relationship with man as they do, require a blood sacrifice for ratification – why else was the firstborn Isaac required, then substituted?
    Much more could be written, but the rather confident tone is not justified by most of the arguments.

    • Dear Charles
      Thanks for your comments on The Elephant and the Suit.
      Before I respond to your comments, I would like to make two introductory statements.
      #1 – One of the underlying premises of the article is that we can assume that in a 1500 page series (not counting end-notes), Dr. Brown had more than enough space to defend Christianity.
      #2 – The fact that Christianity is churning out new arguments to justify their faith does little to help them. One of the salient features of Christianity is the belief that anyone who doesn’t see the “truth” of their claims must be stricken by a spiritual blindness (or worse). We then find a debate between Christians and their opponents which the Christians proceed to lose. The Christian then turns around and generates a new argument and says: “Aha! It is because of THIS argument that you are spiritually blind.” “Well Mr. Christian, if you are not affected by this spiritual blindness, why then did you not think of the argument until now?” (This is aside from the fact that Christianity changed its theology time and time again after centuries of critique from the “spiritually blind”.)
      Now, to your points.
      You claim that I am unaware of the “significance” of the Zelophadite inheritance.
      I beg to differ. I am completely aware of the significance of this episode. If you will read it correctly – you will see that it proves the opposite of what Christians claim it says (I refer you to my critique of Dr. Brown’s volume 4, point # 4).
      You claim that my understanding that the basis for the Christian belief of a second coming is based on Daniel 7:13 alone displays a “remarkable poverty of acquaintance with the Gentile interaction with the prophets”.
      In response I will point out that Brown does not mention this point in his book. This leaves me with one of two options. Either he agrees with me that this concept cannot serve as a basis for PROOF for a second coming, or he didn’t think of it. Either way, my critique of Christianity as Brown understood it at the time of the writing of his book, still stands.
      The same response applies to your arguments about Jonah being “sacrificed” and the “necessity” of blood to ratify a covenant. (Incidentally, the latter argument displays a lack of acquaintance with Genesis 9:13, Exodus 31:16, Deuteronomy 28:69, 29:11, Joshua 24:25, 2Kings 11:17, 23:3, and Ezra 10:3.)
      This being said, I do not see how I could write with a tone that is less confident.
      I thank you again for your comments, and I sincerely look forward to any other thoughts that you might want to share.
      Your Pharisee friend
      Yisroel Chaim

  2. Dear Yisroel,
    Thanks for your trouble in replying.
    #2, I accept there is a major blind spot in Gentile Christianity which centres in how the Messiah relates legally to the Torah – there are many lines of evidence for this problem. I don’t have nor have I seen a proper solution to this question, yet. I find many Christians aren’t even aware of it, nor would I be, were it not for a dear friend who for now has lost his faith. I write as a Gentile and a Christian, from an atheist family, with no formal attachment to Judaism or the Jewish people, other than a profound debt to the latter, on manifold grounds. I also agree that Deut. 30 is a crucial watershed, though not primarily for the reasons you’ve given.
    #1, my aim is not to defend Michael Brown, although I respect him highly and understand well why you address his writings.
    Can I ask one question, your response to MB’s vol 4 – point 4 – which page can I find this on, ? p.16, para 7, perhaps?
    Charles Soper

  3. Dear Charles
    The comment I was referring to is found on this blog under the category “Critique” – in any case I copied and pasted the appropriate piece. Here it is:
    4. Page 88
    Brown argues that Jesus was a descendant of David from his mother’s side. He goes on to argue that when there are no male descendants, a female has the right of inheritance. We shall shortly demonstrate that the right of inheritance has no relationship to genealogy, but for now we will point out that his argument is utterly irrelevant. Who ever made the claim that Mary had no brothers? Furthermore, even if Mary had no brothers, it would still not give Jesus the claim to David’s throne because David had many male descendants. So Brown’s argument is not relevant to the case at hand.
    In any case, the Biblical passage that Brown quotes to prove his point actually works against him. The passage in Numbers quoted by Brown (36:1-12) makes clear that even in a situation of a female inheritor, the genealogy follows the father. The entire thrust of the passage is that female inheritors must marry into their own tribe in order to keep the inheritance within the tribal possession. If the female inheritors would be able to pass their genealogical attributes to their children this would not be an issue. It is clear from this passage that although inheritance may sometimes go to a female descendant, tribal genealogy remains exclusively in the male line. (See Contra Brown for further information on this subject.)
    I hope this helped
    Thanks again for your comments
    Your Pharisee friend

  4. Rafael says:

    I really like your explenation about how xtinity exageretes and manipulate Bible Truth. I was born and raised Catholic, jumped from denomination to denomination for years and now for the past 4 years I stop believing in Jesus and the “new testament” I also believe that my ancestors where forced to convert to xtianity many many centuries ago. perhaps I am a lost jew. I am so hurt and I can feel the pain “the church” has done to The Israelites for the pass 2 thousand years. Is like they have done it to me! I feel that it is time to respond to the xtian with all force, 2k years is enough! I personaly know and understand that xtianity and “the new testament” is an Abomination to the Jewish faith and to the G-d of Israel.


  5. cpsoper says:

    Perhaps I can ask, Rafael, how you understand Jeremiah 31.31-3 or Ezekiel 37.21-28? I think we would agree the covenanting party in the Divine mind is the literal house of Judah (and Israel) – the question is what is substantially new about this covenant, foreseen in Deut 29.1 (in Heb. 28.69)?

  6. Rafael says:

    To cpsoper:

    Ok Jeremiah 31: 31-to the end of the chapter is very simple, G-d will place His Law AKA TORAH in our hearts. That is actualy a mesianic age prophesie meaning we will not have jews teaching other jews The Toarah because it is going to be deep inside or heart. This prophesie is for Israel The jews and not for the Abominable church! This prophesie comes with a warning if you keep reding in context of not leting go of the ordinance AKA the Law AKA Torah. Read in context if you may, I said it again this prophesie is for the Jewish people and not for the gentiles! I am so glad you asked!

  7. Rafael says:

    To cpsoper:
    If you read Ezequiel 37 in context is saying the same as jer 31 33 to the end of the chapter. If you read in context G-d is saying that He will bring His people the jews bacck to the land and they will be living with the Torah with all statues and laws! The diference is that the jews will have this law writened deep in our hearts! This is mesianic prophesy for the Jewis people and The Jewish faith and have nothing to do with the abobinable and detestable christian faith aka “Sarcasticly” “new covenant”

  8. Rafael says:

    To cpsoper

    Yes deut 29: 1 These [are] the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb. If you notice the covenant was given to Moses, but the real new covenant is tha same because G-d keep saying and using the words My laws, sataues and ordinance! the diference is the Torah will be writened in His people hearts! Again This is for the jews and not for the church!
    About hebrews I do ot understand wich chapter u talking about but Jews do not read the christian bible it is irrelevant!

  9. cpsoper says:

    Hello Rafael, Heb. at the end is a reference to the Hebrew manuscript of D’varim, where the versification is different from the English translations, not the epistle to the Hebrews. So what’s actually new about this new covenant? How is it the old one failed to write the Law on the hearts of the people? Why should the new one work where the old one failed and was broken?

  10. Rafael says:

    To: cpsoper:
    My dear Christian friend; there is one way that you Christians will understand why Christianity is a false religion. You may ask yourself why you never heard this before. The reason is because the Christians had persecuted the Jewish people to the point of death that Jews are afraid of confronting you totally with fear for their lives and love ones. We live in a new world compared to the near pass and we can speak freely or very yet G-d is allowing us to show you in more details. Yes hold on for the wild ride you are about to embark.
    Human sacrifices were and are a pagan concept; only a very minimal group of people secretly may be doing human sacrifice this time in age. The G-d of Israel The only true living G-d forbid, condemns and opposed and calls it a detestable abomination the practice of human sacrifices. ! We can see this very clear in two passages of The Hebrew Bible. In this 2 passages also tell the Children of Israel to refrain from doing this practice at all let alone to Him. Meaning he does not want us to sacrifice human to worship Him because it is an Abomination! Can you see what is going on here? Christianity and the “new testament” is an Abomination to the Jewish faith and to The God of Israel! Jesus was a men and this is forbidden by G-d. Here are the 2 passages I was talking about. I am pretty sure there are other passages that agree with it.
    Deut 12:30-31 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
    Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

    Jewish Faith will never become Christian

  11. Rafael says:


    There was nothing wrong with the Torah that G-d gave to moses to give to the Israelite. The covenant was not broken because G-d is not a lier. You have your mind so encrusted in Christianity and have preconcive ideas. Christological preconsive ideas, You sit down in a chair a preacher talk talk and talk with no undrestandings of the hebrew language and concepts. I am not a linguistic at all however you do not have t be a rocket scientist to atleast understnd that the gramar rules and laws vary from language to language. Meaning you can not use all the English language grammar rules to the hebrew language or any other language. We also know that some words can have a diferent meaning depending on the context in which is writened. If you are an expert in the japanisse language because you greu up with it and studie it; I can not argue with you about your language because I not know crap about your language. In tha same way The Hebrew language have being studie and lived by the jewish people specialy Hebrew Bible scholars, how is it that an unlearned person that preobably have not master their own language is going to argue at all. Think about it.

  12. cpsoper says:

    Rafael, It is Hashem not me, who says the old covenant was broken and needs revision, ‘Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD’ How about trying to focus on the question – what is new about the new Covenant? As to the ultimate sacrifice, haven’t you ever considered Abraham’s offering, Jephthah’s or Phinehas’ or how the offering of Korah’s company was sanctified by their own immolation (Num.16.38)?

  13. Rafael says:

    To cpsoper;
    Hashem never said that the covenant was broken, your preconceive ideas is making you believe whatever you want to hold on to. Notice He said they broke the covenant it is a way G-g saying they disobey. What r you going to do with the perpetual recording of the Law forever? You are bringing an isolated verse? I do not know why you ask the same questions are you reading my postings here? I already explain to you. You do not understand the Jewish language and mode correctly process grammatical rules! What’s new about the new? is not an abominable and detestable Jesus sacrifice. You already know that is forbidden! G-d knows what this new covenant is, how I should know I am not G-d. It looks like this new covenant will be written in the Jewish people harts! Obviously Jesus is not written in the Jewish heart! You cannot force this to the Jews. About Abraham if you notice he never sacrifice Isaac, what part of not sacrificing a human you did not learned from the story?
    In Numbers chapter 16 is not a sacrifice Do you ever read The Bible? G-d has sacrificial offerings for prescribed animals and dead penalty to a person is not that sacrifice, you do not have to be a bible scholar to understand that is not the same! But you have to be a liar or a bible manipulator adding to the word of G-d to make people believe that is the same!

  14. Rafael says:

    To cpsoper;
    I will like to make something clear, in no way shape or form I want to be your enemy, if you are a Christian good luck with your faith, G-d will sort everything when he chooses to. There are thousands of religions and philosophies in the world and we have to COEXIST! I will no force my religion on you but I will defend my faith! What you said about Judaism is a Blasphemy, Idolatry and Abomination! So obviously what I said to defend my faith it will be the same to you no offence, as I hope you are not trying to offend me, you are just zealot for your faith and passion.

  15. cpsoper says:

    Rafael, read the explicit text again in Hebrew, ‘אֲשֶׁר-הֵמָּה הֵפֵרוּ אֶת-בְּרִיתִי’, do you also wish other texts to indicate that the Exodus covenant is broken, I can supply them. You have written hundreds of heated but poorly illumined words, but given no indication at all of what Jeremiah or Ezekiel intended by ‘בְּרִית חֲדָשָׁה’ – except by vain repetition of the old. Can you name one generation when this covenant was actually kept? Even its very Mediator was barred from entry into the Land. Will you allow me to suggest three fatal flaws in the Sinaitic covenant? – its mediation, its ratification, and its implementation. All these flaws were evident at the outset and integral to the Divine design of its purpose as a shadow of something much better to follow..
    As to Numbers 16 – why were the censors actually sanctified upon the basis of their offering (Hebrew text 17.3) ‘כִּי-הִקְרִיבֻם לִפְנֵי-יהוה, וַיִּקְדָּשׁוּ’ and then sanctified as a valuable part of the altar? What is the ultimate Qadosh Hashem? Why was Phinehas’ sacrifice explicitly described as an atonement? You’re standing on sinking sand, my friend.

  16. cpsoper says:

    I’d be grateful for responses to this account of the Zelophehadite question

    Click to access Zelophehad.pdf

  17. Cpsoper
    I responded to this question in Contra Brown and in my critique to Brown’s volume 4 point #4

  18. Dear Yisroel, it is this source among others to which I seek to respond.

  19. Rafael says:


    Sir you are going to be going looking for an excuse to beleieve in a human sacrifise Iw ill not waste my time with you. It is a detestable Abomination and thats all I need to know besides he did not fulfile the prophesies.

  20. Rafael says:

    Christianity and “The new Testament” IS AN ABOMINATION to The Jewish Faith and The GOD OF ISRAEL



    I was born and raised Catholic In the town of Santurce, Puerto Rico, As I grow in my sincere search for truth in understanding the faith indoctrinated to me by my loving parents and the churches I realized that what I inherit where lies, vanity and just like the Santa Claus disappointment I Cried my heart out! In theory believe my ancestors were forced to convert to Christianity on the threat of dead. I discover all the lies I was taught about the Jewish people and the Jewish faith. I decided to learn from the root meaning The Jewish Faith so I could see “Jesus prophesies” all over the Scripture and to my not so much a surprise it was not there. All my life I’ve being lied to and enough is enough. I can feel the pain of the Jews and the more I learn I look forward to the opportunity of converting to the most amazing faith, The Hebrew Israelite Jewish Torah of G-d all Mighty

    I want to indicate that the purposes of this writings are;

    1. To warn the Jewish people that have being polluted by missionaries and pressured to convert away from Judaism, perhaps they can return to the beautiful faith that once God gave them forever.
    2. I also would like to direct this writings to missionaries and people that have in their mind in converting the Jews to their religions, so they will understand that they are not doing us any favors! It is not intended to criticize nor tried to change someone over to any other faith or religion. Instead indicate why it is impossible for a Jew to believe in Jesus.
    3. There is a constant effort coming from Missionaries and Evangelical Christians to convert Jews and that needs to be answered.
    4. To defend the Jewish Faith from the ridiculous claims from missionaries
    I supposed that if this writing got to your hands is because you being searching on your own and no one have force you to read it. Read this writings from the perspective of the writer that is as zealous as you about his own faith and is prepared to defend it with his life it’s come to be the case. It is also my intention to continue in updating, re-writing this work in order to make it stronger, more accurate where it would be un-debatable.

    First I will like to explain some basics definitions so we are in the same pace and you would be able to understand it better.

    A. In order to make a distinction when I use the title; God, is to refer to the God of Israel, I will use a capital letter G. When I refer to the false gods you will notice that I use the minor letter g.

    B. When I speak of sacrifices to the God of Israel, it is the prescribed ritual killing of an animal that is approved by God as a pleasant aroma to Him; I t is not the same as a human death, murder or death penalty which is judgment towards a criminal. In the Hebrew Bible appears a number of this different concepts and we have to be aware not confuse them as the same. . I’m a 99.99% sure that if you ever sincerely search the Bible about this topic you will noticed these differences.

    C. The pagans’ nations did offered sacrifices to their gods and at times they use human sacrifices, whereas God detested and call them an Abomination if we do this at all, let alone to Him. So you will notice a distinction when I refer to any human sacrifice I will call it and Abomination because God calls them that way, it is not something I made up. I’m a 99.99% sure that if you ever sincerely search the Bible about this topic you will noticed these differences.

    D. The word Abomination is perhaps the worst, strongest and one of the more powerful word in the Hebrew Bible, {{{ Abomination: a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc. intense aversion or loathing; detestation anything greatly disliked or abhorred}}} God used it when pointing the worst sins a Jewish person can commit. It is a form of a warning. These sins are; Idolatry and Blasphemy among others; like eating human flesh or drinking any kind of blood.

    E. The worst cases of Idolatry are but are not limited to; departing from the God of Israel to worship other gods, worship another god and said we are doing it to Hashem and worship Hashem the way pagans’ worship their gods, like committing human scarifies.

    F. The worst case of Blasphemy is for a human to said that he is God all Mighty. The second worst case of Blasphemy is to imply that a human is God all Mighty. So it would be fair to said that the combination of Worshiping The God of Israel as a men-god and by offering Him a human sacrifice just like pagans do to their gods; it would be an Idolatry, and Abominable Blasphemy; just like one plus two equals three.

    G. The word abomination is also used by God to show His children other detestable practice that God hate, among others the eating of some unclean animal or drinking blood or cannibalism (eating human flesh), or drinking human blood it is considered a detestable abomination to the God of Israel. It is curious to see how Christianity offers the flesh and blood of Jesus.

    H. The word messiah simply means anointed one, do not confuse it with savior. Anointing is the process where a person is initiated for the service of God. This anointing is by rubbing oil on the persons head. No oil over his head no anointed. Throughout Israel history there has being good and bad anointed ones or messiahs. The Kings of Israel has all being anointed for the service of God, also High priests, prophets and at times Gentile Kings. None of the anointed people in the Tanach where ever to be God! The Greek word cristos is the equivalent of the Hebrew word messiah aka anointed one.

    I. The tern “The Messiah” with the Capital letters or with the definite article “The” Does not appear in the Hebrew Bible at all. This is a concept used by Jewish people to refer to the ends of time King of Israel, not to be confused with many regular messiahs. The Messiah Ben David will herald the messianic era an era of peace and prosperity in the whole world.

    J. Son of God is one of many titles that the long waited messiah will have; He will be King of Israel; Just as all other Kings from King David forward have had the Title; Son of God. This title son of God has never being understood as a “God-ship” for a human, this is a misconception from Christian faiths that have no understanding of the Hebrew Faith and have mix it with pagan concepts. This King will also be anointed or messiah, just like any other King before him; no oil rubbing no King.

    K. Believing in the messiah for eternal salvation is foreign to the Tanach and is a gross fabrication to say that is written in the Tanach.

    L. The word Tanach is only an abbreviation for the “old testament”, The Hebrew Bible.

    M. The word savior is synonymous with the word deliverer, as God is my Savior my Deliverer. Moses was use by God to save or deliver the children of Israel out of Egypt, if you noticed he was never called God. The same with all the other heroes in the Bible like Joseph and Esther to name a few, and like mosses none of them where ever called God. People believe God through Moses as well with all the others heroes in the Tanach. Eventually God will use another of His servants; Messiah Ben David to bring the messianic age.

    N. The word servant in the Hebrew Bible is repeatedly used in the Hebrew Bible to refer to the Hebrew nation, the children of Israel. Context of the readings have to be taken in consideration.

    O. The King Messiah Ben David will bring the messianic era by delivering all the children of Israel back to Israel, and performing the messiahs agenda, which are: Be anointed King of Israel, gather all the Jews to the Land of Israel, build the third Temple, Bring world peace, bring universal knowledge of the God of Israel to the world. He must be a direct descendant of King David through King Salomon.

    P. Believing in messiah is irrelevant because we will know that he is the messiah when he does this thinks. If he does not do these things he is not the messiah. Countless of people have being though to be the Messiah Ben David, prior and after Jesus. How we know they were not the messiah? IT is because like Jesus none of them comply and no one is waiting for any of them to “return”. It would be more than safe to say that waiting for Jesus is ridiculous for a Jew.

    Q. I also want to show that the Jewish faith is based on intelligently and logically knowing the God of Israel. EXD 6:7 and I will take you to me for a people and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.

    R. Jewish faith is not like others religion that relied solely on “believe” Although the words believe and faith appear to be synonymous; there is still a slight difference. When you turn the on switch for your light bulb you have faith that it will work because you know after doing it for hundreds of time. However, when you open your new computer you believe that the computer will work because you do not know since you never used it before. Yes there is a concept of “believe” in the Hebrew Bible but is not as important as to know.

    R. The combined words “to know” appears 45 times in the Hebrew Scriptures and cero in the “new testament” whereas the combined words “to believe” appears only 2 times in the “new testament” and cero in the “old testament.”

    S. The combined words the messiah appears no were in the Hebrew nor in the “new testament”

    I hope these simple explanations might help you in understanding this writings.

    Chapter I

    Not a sacrificial Lamb

    How can I proof you, easily that Jesus or yehshuah is not the messiah nor a “sacrificial: lamb let alone God? Simple: We ( The people that intellectually know the God of Israel) all know that G-d hated, detested and call it and abomination the practice of human sacrifices, Therefore using yehshuah or Jesus as a sacrifice, let alone to Him, it is “Intellectually, Logically Biblically and Knowingly understood and considered” an Abomination. Just as simple as that, and of course Yehshuah looks nothing like a Lamb. When God stopped Abraham from “sacrificing” Isaac, was not a “foreshadow” of a future act of disobedient to God; Let alone “foreshadowing” an act of a detestable abomination to God. It could have very well being a warning to the Hebrew people in believing in an abominable based human sacrifice “new testament.” Yes we all know that it was a test of obedience to see if Abraham trusted God. But we must understand that The Torah was not given as yet and Abraham was just coming out from a pagan Country, and he never sacrifices Isaac. We must understand that from creation there has never being a commandment as part of a covenant stated by God to perform human sacrifices. On the contrary; God detested human sacrifices and calls them an abomination as previously explained. Someone found something that relate to “foreshadow” and is just abusing this concept all over the place. In the right mind which person would believe that this is foreshadowing to sacrifice (murder) our own children? If this was foreshadow it must have being foreshadow of not sacrificing your children even if you heard it from God! What else can I said? Think about it…………….How many people have kill their own children saying they heard it from “God”?

    Deut 12:30-31 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

    Not Enough?

    Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

    Here are instructions that human sacrifices through the fire to Molech it is called an Abomination! And God said: “I commanded not” It did not even came into God’s mind that they would do this ABOMINATION! Do you understand what just happened here? Do I have to repeat it to you? Yes because after you read this, more like it, some of you will still believe in “the sacrificial lamb”. God commanded not to do human sacrifices; God could not even imagine they did such abomination! The abomination of sacrificing their own children! Should I type it again? This is the difference between Judaism and others religions; We know……….Other religions don’t care about knowing because after they know they ignore it and want to relied in “believing”. Knowing is far more important than believing.
    We also know that the Torah we received in Mount Sinai is an instruction for ever.

    Deut 4:40 Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong [thy] days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, forever.

    The words for ever or perpetual and eternal, appears in countless verses of the Bible. I suggest you go and look at them and explain to me what these following words means; “a law for ever, eternal covenant, or perpetual covenant, and as long as you live”. Now let me point out to you that it is not my intention to sound mocking as I stated that Yehshuah or Jesus looks nothing like a lamb. I mean does he? Please bear with me; who can determine that an animal can be change to men? (Well yes Darwin of course) No really; Understanding and Intellectually Knowing that God already call it an abomination to scarifies your own children; And commanded not to; Who have the authority to said that a sacrificial lamb can just be change or replace by a human, one of the children of Israel? We cannot change the Law. If someone want to make their own laws by copping from the Law of Moses and start their own religion that is their problem. Never the less that religion is not going to be called Judaism! The Torah is forever, a perpetual covenant as long as we live and will never change.

    Moreover: The Passover Lamb was never a sin offering or sacrificial offering at all like so many ignorant people has being lied to believe by their spiritual gurus which knows this fact! In those days the lamb was a god for the people of God did not only test the Hebrews to SLAUGHTER the Egyptian god but also humiliated the Egyptians. Why Christians want to associate their god with a Pagan god? In Chapter 8 of the book of Exodus Moses told Pharaoh that sacrificing the abomination of the Egyptians would bring the Egyptians to stone the Hebrews.

    So who and why someone wants to lied and persuade the children of Israel to ignore God’s instructions, like the serpent did to Adam and Eve in the garden?

    Dan 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.

    In the book of Daniel we have a very interesting situation, in one of his visions in a dream where world kings tried to dominate Israel and its people and will intent to change not only the appointed times that are part of the Law But the Law itself!…… The Law indicates not to perform human sacrifices or murder; God commanded not, it is a Detestable thing to God: It is an Abomination to God and God HATES IT! I supposed people can “TRY” all they want, but the fact is that it is a Law FOR EVER.

    Deut. 12:32 what thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

    Furthermore: God gave a commandment concerning married or betrothed woman, where it was forbidden, with the judgment of death penalty, to take someone else’s wife, weather by force or by mutual consent. And the “new testament“ is going to said that God break His own commandment and made Mary also break the commandment that God established?

    Deut. 22:22-27 If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being] in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you. But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; [there is] in the damsel no sin [worthy] of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so [is] this matter: For he found her in the field, [and] the betrothed damsel cried, and [there was] none to save her.

    Deut. 12:32 what thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

    Furthermore! Thow Shalt Not COVET! Then God is coveting Mary?!!!! It does not make sense and you know it

    EXO 20: 17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour’s.

    If you are going to bring the lame excuse that God can take whatever he wants, it won’t work on this case, I supposed God can do whatever he wants but He cannot lied! There is no indication that Marry was a first born and if she was a first born she must have being redeemed by then. Besides she was betrothed to Joseph! How can God covet and take a betrothed virgin and dishonor Joseph? Did Mary not knew the commandment in Deuteronomy 22: 22- 27 with the dead penalty consequences? Is God a Just God where justice must take place? Are you implying that Mary was the “only” Jewish virgin in the whole nation of Israel? That is an insult to the Jewish woman. It is preposterous!

    So Christians want to claim that The God of Israel impregnated Mary and Jesus of Nazareth was born. However this is ridiculous to a Jew! The impregnation of mortal virgins’ woman with gods was and is still a pagan concept that have no place in the Hebrew faith! The mistranslation of the virgin is all that a mistranslation. This was not a prophesy about a virgin but of a young woman. The word for young woman is Ahlama and is mistranslated as virgin! That prophesy was fulfilled right then and there and not 700 years later!

    Chapter II Not God

    The end of the previous chapter was finalize it with the virgin birth of Jesus, and as a matter of fact this virgin birth has even cause; the Idolatry of taking Gods worship and directed to Mary, the idolatry of images and the Abomination and the Blasphemy of calling a human “God”; The worst sins for a Jewish person! Not only that but this has caused for her to be called “mother of God”, God is not a mortal! In other she is called “wife of God. “ How can she be wife of God and Joseph at the same time? And in some denomination Mary is referred as; co-redeemer almost a goddess. I supposed this is ok for a Christian, but not for a Jew; because we intellectually know that this is not the God of Israel. It will be an act of abominable idolatry for a Jew. The penalty for idolatry is “being cut off, in Hebrew “koras” which means. “Eternal separation from God“…. So Christians; don’t do this to us as a “favor”

    Exodus: 20: 3-5 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of anything] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

    Deut 27:15 Cursed [be] the man that maketh [any] graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth [it] in [a] secret [place]. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen. Do I hear an Amen?

    Deut. 12:32 what thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

    Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.

    Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? Ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? Yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].

    When God said that he is the first and the last and besides Him there is no God. That is exactly what He means. Now the “new testament” wants to add 2 more “Gods” and place God in the middle! Gods that the children of Israel did not knew.

    Deuteronomy 6: 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

    One Lord, last time I asked a first grader how many is one, he answered; “one is one“. I tried to argue with him desperately and told him that one is tree! He laughs and laughs and called me: “silly, stupid and DUMB“…Can I ask you a question? How far you got into to school?

    Furthermore! Make your own conclusion from this next passage.

    Num: 23: 19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

    Well in second though lets me explain it to you.
    God is not a man, (Jesus was a man)
    that he should lie: (Did He lied about His commandments to be perfect pure and
    for ever
    neither the son of man, (Yeshuah is refer to as the son of man even by his own lips.)
    that he should repent: (Did God change His mind about the law?)
    hath he said and shall he not do it? (Break His own commandments? Commit human
    sacrifices with His own son, covet someone’s wife,
    take a betrothed virgin, and dishonor Joseph?)
    Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? God’s judgments are sets.
    Mal 3:6 “I the Lord do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

    Jesus as a demigod:

    Christianity claims that Jesus is fully god and fully human so I tell them that Jesus is half god and half humans just like that pagans’ gods of old. Christians want to convince me and said no he was 100% god 100% men. However with simple mathematics is easy to determine that 200% combine equals to 100% of the substance, so it is equal to 50% god and 50% human just as simple as that! So the way for a Christian to justify the math problem they pull a rabbit from their sleeve and call it “a mystery”

    Chapter III Not the Messiah Ben David

    According to the genealogy of Joseph, in the book of Matthew, he was a descendant of a King name Jeconiah, also known as Coniah. This king was cursed by God so that his seed would never inherit the throne of David! Read it yourself… This is PROOF that Jesus cannot seat in the throne of David.

    Jer 22:28-30 [Is] this man Coniah a despised broken idol? [is he] a vessel wherein [is] no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man [that] shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

    In another of Joseph genealogies in the book of Luke, he was descendant of King David but through Nathan, but the seed must pass through King Solomon not Nathan, and Nathan was never anointed King of Israel! If you want to claim that Luke’s genealogy belongs to Mary when the gospels indicates that is Joseph’s, you just make it worst because Mary was a Levite and the Kings of Israel will come from the Tribe of Judah, either way: This is PROOF that Jesus cannot seat in the throne of David.
    If God is Jesus “biological father” then God is not a descendant of King David and God is not from the tribe of Judah. This is PROOF that Jesus cannot seat in the throne of David. However I do not “believe” that God is Jesus Father through the Holly Spirit. We are all God’s children do we all qualify to be The Messiah Ben David?

    1 Chronicles 22: 9-10 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days. He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I [will be] his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.
    1king 2:45: And King Solomon [shall be] blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD forever.

    1King 9:2-5 That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon. And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there forever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, [and] wilt keep my statutes and my judgments: Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

    Here we have God promising King Solomon the same promise He made to King David that his throne will be establish in Israel forever. Note that this promise was never made to Nathan, who was never King of Israel.

    Let me point out to you that this mumbo-jumbo “virgin birth” through the holy spirit don’t make sense because; The Messiah Ben David supposed to come according to the flesh, which means the seed of David, a sexual carnal act, through the sperm and the seed of King David. Not by a miraculous immaculate conception act; because it was not foretold that way in the Hebrew Bible. I see why God was so detailed about the coming of The Messiah Ben David! Some people suggested that “God could have placed the seed of David though the Holy Spirit”. But this does not hold water because then, what was the point of all the promises? The seed, miraculously passing through the Holly Spirit, is only an attempt to cover the genealogy-OOPS! We Intellectually Know and Understand that The Torah does not have a single prophesy of an immaculate conception for messiah or anyone else for that matter. But in numerous occasions is referred as a descendant from the seed of David and the seed of King Solomon…. How clear do you want it? The Bible uses the words; descendant, and seed. Oy vey!
    I will also want to clarify that I have nothing against Mary the Mother of Jesus. I am 110% sure that She was a Jewish virgin as there where many at the time, and she was a wonderful human, person, mother, daughter and wife. Mary is not a discussion here, although references about her would appear in more than one occasion. No offence to her what so ever. If people make mistakes about her, it won’t take away her beauty and personality. According to the Christian Bible she never called herself a goddess and was never worshipped by anyone. So as far as I know she is ok and is not her fault that she has being worshiped and idolizes by billions.

    So another way to prove that Jesus is not The Messiah is by pointing out the real prophesies about The messiah; The things the Messiah Ben David supposed to do, compared with WJD =What Jesus did.

    1. Be King of Israel; Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

    WJD Ironically Jesus was never Anointed King of Israel and not all have observe God’s Laws and Christians Claims The Law is done away with!…Also if The messiah is one shepherd why there are millions of self-proclaimed “shepherds”? Contrary to the biblical prophesies. Christians have the fallacy of saying that a prostitute pour perfume over Jesus head and by magic he is “anointed” king. The Romans place a sing over Jesus that said “king of the Jews” ant there is not a single prophesy about messiah be king of the Jews but rather King of Israel.

    2. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel Ezekiel 37:25 and Isaiah 43:5-6
    Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever. Isaiah 43:5-6 Fear not: for I [am] with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

    WJD ironically 70 years after Jesus death the Jews were scatter all over the world away from Israel!….. Contrary to the biblical prophesies.

    3. Build the Third Temple Ezekiel 37:26-28 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

    WJD ironically 70 years after Jesus death the 2nd Temple was destroyed. Contrary to the biblical prophesies.

    4. Bring world peace, where all wars hatred ends. Isaiah 2:4 and he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation; neither shall they learn war any more.

    WJD Ironically since Jesus there has being nonstop war fueled by hatred in various places of the earth. Contrary to the biblical prophesies.

    5. Bring universal knowledge of The God of Israel which is ONE GOD with ONE NAME! Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

    WJD Ironically ever since Jesus, most of the world keep on worshiping their pagan gods where there are millions of them, now we have the Christians, Mormons and every time one of them dies it becomes another god! Approximately half of the Christians worship Mary! The Christian claims that the world is getting the knowledge of God? Everyone knows that the world is out of control and what god do they know? They know a multi god, a demy-god that has more than one name. Is that the knowledge of the God of Israel? As a matter of fact; Christianity has brought more false messiahs and false prophets in history! Contrary to the biblical prophesies.

    6. Be a direct biological descendant of King David though King Salomon. 1King 9:2-5 That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon. And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there forever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, [and] wilt keep my statutes and my judgments: Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

    WJD Ironically we already establish that Jesus did not qualify to seat in the throne of David because his genealogy “oops” Contrary to the biblical prophesies.

    A summary and detailed description of the Messiah Ben David can be read in the book of Ezequiel chapter 37 verses 24 to 28

    Eze 37: 24-28 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince forever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

    The lame excuse that Jesus would fulfill The Real Prophesies in his second return is pointless, for the simple fact that every false or failed messiah that have come and gone can claim the same return “logic”. Furthermore, if he returns and does not finish everything; then, are we supposed to have a third or a fourth coming?! The Messiah Ben David’s coming is not a multi-visits, this is foreign to the Hebrew Bible and is only an attempt to cover Jesus failure to comply. The only think that I see in Jesus in order to be nice with him is; That he was a good Jewish men zealous for what he believed and the authors of the Christian writings and his followers made a horrible mistake and Constantine took advantage and created that abominable “new testament” Religion; Which Speaks against the Most High, oppress His saints, and intent to change God’s appointed times and God’s laws!

    Chapter IV
    The Detestable Abominations

    Consider the following: God forbids that we worship Him like the nations worship their false gods; it is an abomination. Well, have not ever occurred to you that the virgin birth of demy-god is a way God doesn’t want us to worship Him! All false gods had being born on Dec 25 from a virgin through Immaculate Conception from a god! (What would you do if your daughter show up pregnant and tell you that she has become miraculous pregnant?) Would that child become the Son of God or a Bastard? Don’t misunderstand me we all are children of God; But we are not all Son of God, meaning a demy-god. The pagan nations worship these gods. You can clean it up all you want but in the end it is still be a god our fathers did not know! Ok You can say: “Well Jesus was not born on Dec 25“. But he still had borne of a virgin, and an immaculate conception, born from a god. No matter how far you go it won’t work. It is polluted and its stinks all the way through. We cannot worship God the way the pagan worship their gods. It is a abominable idolatry and a blasphemy to worship Him as a demy-god born of a virgin through “immaculate” conception. This god’s the children of Israel did not knew.

    If you read the “new testament” following the gospels you will notice that none of the writers claimed or make it a hint that Jesus was born of a virgin not even when referring to his birth of a woman or his birth through the flesh! If this was so important why none of them jumped, yield, screamed, or make a big deal of it? Even if they had jumped, it won’t proof a think anyways just pointing it out.

    Deut 12:30-31 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

    The sacrificial systems of Israel are part of obeying the Torah and as we obey Torah we are actually worshiping God. As I mention earlier I repeat here again; it is a detestable abomination to God for us to scarifies our own children and therefore also do to God like the other nations do to their gods; sacrificing their own children. My goodness I supposed some will read this a thousand times, they keep worshiping a detestable abominable blasphemous idolatry and call me blind!

    Read chapter 13 of the book of Deuteronomy! It is very important. Don’t find yourself in one of these people’s shoes; the people that will try to seduce the Children of Israel to go after others gods. Or on this people sandals or tennis shoes or whatever you wear on your of your feet! As you read notice that anyone that tries to persuades the Children of Israel to walk after other gods is a false prophet and must be put to death. And in context also reinstates the importance of obeying Gods Torah forever! The “prophet” that tries to persuade us to ignore God’s Torah is a False Prophet! And God is testing us to see if we Love Him! So every time a missionary comes to us we could jump of happiness in front of them and thanks God for sending us a false prophet to test us. Then we can show the false prophet chapter 13 of Deuteronomy. Wasn’t this so important that God use a whole chapter to warn us even after repeatedly commanded us throughout the whole Tanach?

    Deuteronomy Chapter 13: If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you. If thou shalt hear [say] in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, [Certain] men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, [if it be] truth, [and] the thing certain, [that] such abomination is wrought among you; Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that [is] therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do [that which is] right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

    Chapter V
    General relevant information

    Consider the following; Christian missionaries and evangelical Christians claim that no matter how Horrific or Wicked are your sins that as long as you accept Jesus scarifies, your sin would be forgiven and you will be accepted to God. I “believe” they are referring to the God of Israel. Now let’s see what God said in the Tanach:

    Proverbs 15:18 The sacrifice of the wicked [is] an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright [is] his delight.

    God said that if you are so wicked when you bring your sacrifices He considered them an abomination. Now imagine if you bring a human sacrifice where He already hates and calls it a detestable Abomination.

    Christian’s missionaries and evangelical Christians claim that the Jewish people have being punish for not accepting Jesus; In other words they condemned us at the same time they justify the wicked.

    Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both [are] abomination to the LORD.

    Hum… Who is the just? The person that Loves God and obey His commandments YES! Who is the wicked? The people that are so wicked and brings detestable abominable human sacrifice to God? Yes…Do I have to tell you who “he, he and they” are? I did not make this up, It is in The “Old Testament”!!!!! Go find it if u dare read it!

    Another: Christian claims that the Torah is done away with. Now let’s see what God said:

    Proverbs 28: 9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the Torah, even his prayer [shall be] abomination.

    Simply put; You do not want to know about Torah your prayers are detestable to Him. In other words; don’t waste your time.

    It is ironic how the Christian church does not accept the book of Mormon, since like them they bring “another testament” Mormon claim the same claim that Christian made, which is “God” change His mind because the previous testament was broken. If Christian does not accept the book of Mormon why in the heck they think us the Jews will accept another testament?

    Let me warn the Christian missionaries and Evangelicals Christians to be careful how you are going to respond to this letter, because no matter how hard you think to present “proof”: Whether is by extrapolating Scripture out of context or by “emotional explanations” or by intent to “clean it up a little” or by simply ignoring it. You will only find yourself digging a deeper and bottomless grave for that Abominable “new testament” Constantine fabricated. Which Speaks against the Most High, oppress His saints, and intent to change God’s appointed times and God’s laws! Who abominably want to sacrifices a human, and which intent to seduce the children of Israel to commit Idolatry and or Blasphemy by the worship of gods their fathers did not knew or by implying that a men is God all Mighty. Fill with false prophets that want to persuade Jewish people to abandon Torah, who justifies the wicked and condemns the Just and who like the serpent in the garden wants to seduce the children of Israel not to obey Gods Perfect Instructions.
    Can you see how everything stinks? And no matter how well you clean it up, it has being polluted. It is like trying to take the vegetables out of cooked pork and eat them! I supposed if you already eat pork it does not matter.

    Furthermore; Quoting from the “new testament” does not prove a think! Nobody can proof the “Old Testament” with the “New” It is the other way around. Everything must be checked with the TANACH to make sure it is correct and if it doesn’t fit is a waste of time going around in loops.

    Deu 28: 14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, [to] the right hand, or [to] the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

    So if someone wants to believe in the “new testament” they have to drop “The Old one” because Israel cannot go aside not to the left or to the right. Can you see how simple this is?

    The abominable, detestable, idolatrous and blasphemous “new testament” religion has become one of the biggest business in the world! Stay away from it!

    Again if Christians missionaries want to respond to this, first of all don’t bring the ridiculous list of “270” or is it “285” “prophesies that Jesus fulfill” After 2000 years evangelical Christians at least should made another council of Nicaea and determine the exact amount of “prophesies” that are in the bible about him. Just bring no more than 5 prophesies at a time so we can have an intellectual debate. Don’t be so STUPID of cutting and pasting “300” plus “prophesies” from some website. After 2000 years don’t you think you have an exact quantity of “prophesies“. by now?


  21. cpsoper says:

    Dear Rafael, there is much that is abominable in the Vatican – worship of the Host being the worst.
    On the other hand, let me ask you a question, who is Jacob’s real firstborn son among the twelve and why?

  22. Rafael says:

    cpsoper I am done with you sorry and good luck

  23. cpsoper says:

    Rafael, will pray, Charles

  24. cpsoper says:

    Perhaps we have lost you now, one final comment from me. As your name suggests, God alone is able to heal these wounds. Yet considering the firstborn may help. Why in his final blessing, did Jaocob pass over his natural (Reuben), legal (Joseph/Ephraim) and even priestly firstborn (the substitute for the firstborn at Sinai – Levi)? To whom would his brethren bow? To whom is the title of the lawgiver due, and the one by whom the whole family is later named and why?
    Is it not because Judah acted as a surety not just for Benjamin. by his father’s hand, when Reuben was rejected, but in effect for imprisoned Simeon, his cruel accomplice Levi and by extension all the family? Judah is the best image of the Messiah, not Joseph.
    His blood speaks peace.

  25. Yedidiah says:

    I read a little of some of the commentary on this Links Page for the first time. Almost 6 months after Rafael commented, I want to add that God is indeed healing him. Although he writes poor English, he makes a lot of sense; more so than many who are native English speakers/writers. How beautiful & refreshing, a couple of days before the New Year.

    I too am an ex-Christian. The more I sought an historical Jesus, the more I discovered a fictional one. The more I studied the foundation and the history of Christianity, the more disappointed, & even disgusted, I became. On every issue, every facet, I encountered problems with Christianity or Jesus (or “Yeshua”), whereas Judaism always presented a rational and an enlightened answer or alternative.

    As we see in the last comment, “Judah is the best image of the Messiah, not Joseph”, it is interesting to note that Jesus-Yeshua is a “son of Joseph” raised in Northern Israel and Judah/Judas is pictured as betrayer or evil and enemy. Not a betrayer of God, but the remnant praiser of God. Not a rejecter of the Torah & Law (of God), but it’s main proponent. The one’s looking forward to the “new covenant”, not the one’s who think the “new covenant” has already come. Some stated that the “old covenant” was broken, but it is still here. The “new covenant” which supposedly has already come is such a disappointment (failed in the earliest days & so immediately it needed another “coming” “soon” in order to fix it).

  26. cpsoper says:

    Beloved one, the Messiah had two disciples by the name of Judah, the second had a rude awakening when he discovered his better known companion’s real character. His epistle describing this is the penultimate book of the NT – it also describes the character of a great deal of contemporary ‘Christianity’, and echoes much of Peter’s second and Paul’s last.

    The Messiah Yehoshua descended from Judah twice, not Ephraim.

    The One who heals is the One who confirms and fulfils the covenant by actually realising what Judah did for his brethren by acting as a surety and substitute. A truly functioning priesthood and atonement necessitates real change in the Law, as the Torah foresaw.

  27. Yedidiah says:

    The One who heals (in fact, who keeps one well) is the One who made the covenant.  Those who have a relationship with God, should see no need to divide that attention or love with a person, who died (if he even existed) a long time ago.  They would see no need to place devotion to a being other than God, the One who anoints, instead of one that people, because of their traditions, say was “anointed”.   And then one should expect much more of their anointed ones.  One should not expect any “messenger” to be on the same level as One who sent that “messenger”.  When one prays to “our Father in heaven”, one should not end the prayer in someone else’s name, as if God could not act without the approval of one who is not God.  The idea of a Supreme God, along with the concept of idolatry, invalidates either the existence of or else the worship of any minor gods, man-gods, “fallen angels”, demons, evil beings or forces operating in heaven and yet “enemies of heaven”, a devil, etc.

    There is no Zelophehad in the NT, so perhaps this is some “grasping at straws” apologetics?   Some need to justify an “Israelite version” of Caesar and the man-gods of Rome and the “nations” despite God’s warnings and condemnations of such beliefs.  Property rights laws are not relevant in determining if one was a messiah.  But what is important is Biblical based teachings, Biblical concepts of God, etc.  The type of teaching Jesus did might have been acceptable to pagans in Tyre & Sidon, but not to Jews of various degrees of righteousness, from a “righteous remnant”, Torah/Tanach scholars and sages, and on to poor farmers in the Galilee.  Of the last group, Josephus wrote that they would rather bear their necks and be killed by the Romans than allow the “idolatrous” banners of Rome to be taken into Jerusalem (early to mid 1st century c.e.).  Ordinary people were fanatics for God & God’s Laws (considering them neither “broken” nor obsolete).  Was it “luck” or was it God, that allowed them to be successful?  No wonder that thousands of these people who supposedly flocked to be healed and to hear Words of God from Jesus, instead “deserted” him, when he talked like the typical heathen and pagan priests and told them they had to “drink his blood and eat his flesh”.  One need neither know nor have a Torah to see that that teaching was wrong, pagan, & disgusting.  

    As a sideline, I mentioned that it was interesting that Jesus was a son of Joseph (if Judah was a better model of a messiah than Joseph).  There are 2 different genealogies for Jesus-Yehoshua.  Luke’s has Jesus as Joseph’s son with 3 or 4 other Joseph’s in his lineage (depending on the translation).  And Matthew has a Jacob who has a son named Joseph who is the “father” of Jesus.  And then there is another Joseph who sees to it that Jesus is buried.  And not only was a “Jude” a brother of Jesus, but a Jacob and also a “Jose”.  Interesting. 

    Jesus had such an effect on the way of thinking of his followers that supposedly once the “apostles died, false apostles and false teachers sprang up, like wolves in sheep’s clothing” (e.g., Acts  20:29 – 30 ). Actually that division & heresy began while Jesus was still “alive” and it is very evident in the NT itself.  Jude, the book, was considered by some early Christian leaders to be non-apostolic and heretical.  This “penultimate” NT book” almost didn’t make it into the NT.  “Jude” called other Christians heretics & “dreamers” but he himself quotes 2 heretical,  pseudonymous writings, “1 Enoch” or the “Assumption of Moses” or “Testament of Moses”, the now lost ending of the apocryphal story of “the burial of Moses”.   Some scholars consider Jude to be one of the last NT books written, even as late as the 4th century c.e.  The earlier that one believes it was written, the more negative it reflects on the effectiveness of Jesus’ teachings, his godliness, and on his leadership.   This “bad fruit” then fell very close to it’s source tree, Jesus-Yeshua.

  28. cpsoper says:

    Bad fruit falls close to every good tree, look at the life of every prophet, the question is how others reacted? How did rabbinic Jews react to Bar Kochba, Sabbatai Sevi or other cruel deceivers? Some even secretly embraced them, whilst pretending to oppose. However this does this according to your own criteria invalidate your faith? Where’s your consistency?

    You raise many other points, it wouldn’t take too long to help you with each, if clarity rather than clamour is what you really wish, but some of them show you haven’t even read the piece on Yehoshua’s genealogy, and there’s not much point in jumping from objection to objection like grasshoppers, without ever considering one properly.

    Why should I bother responding if you won’t bother thinking and reading?

  29. Yedidiah says:

    Charles: Bar Kochba, Sabbatai Sevi or “others” are irrelevant, unless you are equating them to Jesus or unless you are including Jesus among the “others”, except that Jesus became one of Rome’s 30,000 gods and ultimately was made into their one primary god.  Who followed, who didn’t or who reacted to whatever & who didn’t is irrelevant.  None of that is my “criteria” and it neither validates or invalidates my faith.  So, I don’t know what you mean by “consistency”?  Unless you mean that because I was raised as a Christian and believed & studied as a Christian for several decades, that I must be consistent and still naively believe in the traditions of man about Jesus (or at least act like I believe in the NT’s fictions, nonsense, and many contradictions).   I tried to limit my comment to a few representative problems with the NT text.  So, I thought it silly that to try to make one minor point, that the letter of Jude was held up as the “penultimate” NT book, when one should have been aware of its problematic text and history. 

    About “the bad fruit”, maybe I should have been clearer or more direct and said that the “tree of Jesus” was the bearer of the “bad fruit”.  According to the NT, Jesus is no ordinary prophet; not supposed to be a “run-of-the-mill” teacher or messiah.  So the earlier the heresy, the more it is a product of Jesus and his hand-picked disciples.  It is not my belief about trees and fruit and it is not my criteria, but that of Jesus according to Luke 6:43, “NO good tree bears bad fruit…” and according to Matthew 7:18  “A good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit…”.  According to Jesus, not me, he was not a good tree and should have been cut down. Which he was.  Maybe Jesus should not have “cursed a tree” earlier because it “obeyed” God’s law and did not bear fruit out of season just to please Jesus, against God’s will?  In this case, “Jesus’ tree”, bore no “fruit”. 

    I see in your article listed that you have some inconsistencies  (Jehoshua or Yehoshua used instead of Jesus, but not Miriam for Mary or Yosef for Joseph? Just kidding, just “clamouring”).   Since, I have read, studied, and thought about the genealogy of Jesus quite often, at first I did not read the article you mentioned in an earlier post, assuming that it was the same illogical and irrelevant apologetics.  So to be fair, I read it.  I have little time to read lately, but I am always seeking greater clarity and am willing to be enlightened.  However, I found nothing really new and I was disappointed with some of the speculations on the first page and a half.  For one, Salome is also the name of one of the sisters of Jesus.  And there is a very good case that the “beloved disciple” is not John but James, the leader of the “Jerusalem church”, “heir of Jesus”.   No need to insult yourself, by claiming that a small child can perceive the contradictions, but which you can’t or which you refuse to see.  This is just one of several problems and contradictions between Matthew’s and Luke’s writings, not to mention the many contradictions between the “synoptic gospels” and John’s book.  Luke admits that although there are already many other gospels out there, he sees the need to tell the story once again, but differently.  You may also want to research who Theophilus was.

    There is physical and documentary evidence that much editing of the NT texts has occurred over time and words or verses have been added to or taken out of various NT books.  That is one reason for the words in parentheses in Luke 3:23.  Since you seem to favor speculation at times, (sometimes referred to as “in the spirit”)  perhaps Luke’s genealogy is through Joseph, while Matthew’s is of Mary’s lineage?  After all, Luke clearly says Jesus is the “son of Joseph … son of Heli”, while Matthew reads as if Joseph is only the husband of Mary and it is Mary, of whom Jesus was born (Matthew 1:16…. Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born…).  In both cases, according to the NT, Jesus is still “son of Joseph”.   

    There are so many points to make to help enlighten you, but this is not the place, not the right forum.   And Truth is not found by accepting a conclusion and then seeking justification for your belief.  The “top-down design”.  I once accepted “your conclusions” and sought justification like you and the NT writers/editors.  I searched for those rare verses; those “hints” and “clues”.  I twisted scripture like you and the NT writers/editors to justify the faith.  Like the NT writers, I required certain “mysteries” to be accepted as if they were known facts and the only possibility.  But Truth is clear and unambiguous or else we can not know it.  What you need is right in front of you; no one has to be selected to “go up” and “bring it down” or go overseas to Rome or some church or ruler and “bring it back”.   If you know God, then Jesus who is in the image of a man (which is the ultimate definition of idolatry), is redundant and a distraction.  Jesus is a divider of One into 3 unequal & ambiguous thirds of a Whole.  What Jesus brought was not clarity but confusion and “confusion is of the devil”.  There are many resources out there to enlighten you.  And from the facts, the foundation, you build upwards. 

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