Answering Christian Objections to Charlie
600 years since Charlie’s Resurrection
Much has happened since the Charolite faith was founded. Its adherents number in the billions and inhabit every continent. Many wars were fought between the Christians and the Charolites. In the most recent spate of wars, 2539-2545, the Charolites massacred millions of Christians. But most denominations of Charolites now reject the aggressive philosophy of the Old Charolite Church and promote love peace and tolerance of all people, especially of Christians.
The following is an interview with the author of the highly acclaimed 5 volume series: “Answering Christian Objections to Charlie”; Dr. Leonard M Green. Dr. Green graciously agreed to be interviewed by Joe Parker of the Kentucky Independent Gazette.
Joe: “If Charlie was truly an incarnation of Jesus, why then didn’t the Christians of his time “get it”? Why is it that he only attracted those with little or no knowledge of the rudiments of Christianity?”
Dr. Green: “That is an excellent question Joe. In response I will read a selection from the Christian Testament. You might be surprised that these words are actually found in the book held in such high esteem by Christians. The philosophy of the paragraph I am about to quote is so obviously Charolite, that many people immediately assume that this is a selection from the Charolite Newer Testament. But it is not. This is actually a quote from the Christian Bible, 1Corinthians chapter 1. This only serves to demonstrate that the Charolite faith is the only true continuation of Christianity.
Here are Paul’s words; “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.”
Joe: “But over the years, there has been such vehement opposition from Christians to Charlie and the Charolites. If Charlie is truly the Christian Messiah then why haven’t more Christians come to faith in Charlie? Where are the pastors and priests of Christianity? Why are they not flocking to join the Charolites?”
Dr. Green: “There are several factors involved in this national rejection of Charlie. Most Christians have simply never bothered to read the Newer Testament. The Christian prejudice against Charlie runs so deep, that many good Christians are prevented from discovering their own Messiah.
Another factor that prevents Christians from coming to true faith is the violence that was practiced by the Old Charolite Church. Can we blame these Christians for failing to see the beauty of Charlie’s teachings, when so many Charolites have so seriously misrepresented him?
In addition, you may be surprised to learn how many Christians actually did come to faith in Charlie. The reason you don’t hear about them is because as soon as a Christian leader joins the Charolites, the Christian historians immediately erase his name from the pages of history.
Finally, and it hurts me to say this, but I cannot withhold the truth – our people were stricken by a spiritual blindness. As it is written, and I quote from the 5th chapter in Harry’s epistle to the Manchurians: “A spirit of blindness has come upon them as Isaiah prophesied: “they have eyes but do not see, they have ears but do not hear”. This was the divine retribution for failing to recognize their Messiah when he came.”
Joe: Now that you touched upon the violence of the Charolite Church throughout the ages, particularly against Christians, how do you explain this? If the Charolite faith is the true faith then why has it produced so much violence?
Dr. Green: No true follower of Charlie ever hurt a fly. How could a follower of a man who preached: “if he steals your cell-phone, give him your i-pod, if he scratches your car, let him burn down your house” (Gospel of Jerry 12:7) ever hurt anyone? Those who persecuted Christians were only Charolite’s in name, but they certainly weren’t real followers of Charlie.
It is also worthy of consideration that the violence was not always one sided. It would be more accurate to say that there was a cycle of violence. Many prominent Christian leaders called Charlie’s sanity into question, and they referred to his followers as “charlatans” – so the violence wasn’t all one sided.
Joe: “But what of the statements of Charlie himself? In the Gospel of Joanne (8:44) we have Charlie calling all Christians murderers and children of the devil. In the Gospel of Jerry (chapter 23) Charlie refers to all Evangelical pastors by the terms “hypocrites”, “vipers” and other such unkind epithets. How do you explain these statements?”
Dr. Green: “These statements must be understood in the context of the larger picture of Charlie’s message, and in the historical context of the gospels. Since the central teaching of Charlie was love and tolerance, we can understand how these statements cannot be understood in the racist sense attributed to Charlie by the Old Charolite Church. When Charlie calls Christians “children of the devil”, he is not referring to Christians alone. He is speaking to all who live in their sins and refuse the divine grace extended to them through the sacrifice of Charlie. All of us fall short, and no one comes to Jesus but through Charlie.
When Charlie was castigating the leadership of the Evangelical movement, it must be understood in light of the fact that Charlie himself was a paying member in an Evangelical Church. This was an argument amongst brothers. Charlie was rebuking the Evangelical leaders for straying from the true faith of Jesus which only points to Charlie.”
Joe: “How do you respond to the charge that the Newer Testament contains numerous contradictions? One example that comes to mind is the discussion concerning Charlie’s first post-accident appearance to his disciples. Was it in Kentucky, as the Gospel of Pat asserts, or did it take place in Texas as per the Gospel of Thomas?”
Dr. Green: “Joe, let me ask you a question. You are a reporter. Didn’t you ever interview witnesses to a car accident? Did you ever get the same exact testimony from each of the witnesses? Of-course not! I am sure that you are aware that Christian apologists use the “car-accident” argument to explain the contradictions that surround the crucifixion of Jesus. But Jesus did not die in a car accident. Jesus died through crucifixion, which is a long and drawn out process. Charlie did die in a car accident. It was over in an instant. Are you then surprised that the testimonies of his disciples don’t match up?”
Joe: “Christians argue that the concept of a third coming has no basis in the Old or New Testaments. They contend that this concept was only invented when Charlie failed to usher in the Messianic age as his followers had hoped. How do you respond to this Christian challenge?”
Dr. Green: “On the contrary, the events are progressing right on schedule. The three Old Testament holidays of Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles serve as a precise parallel for the three comings of the Messiah. Christians who reject the truth of Charlie’s mission are forced to condense Passover and Pentecost as if they were one event on order to justify the belief in two comings. But a plain reading of the text indicates that these are two separate holidays leading us to the belief that there must be three comings of the Messiah.”
Joe: “Is it not true that Charlie predicted that the Messianic age will begin in the lifetime of his immediate followers? Here is the quote from the Gospel of Jerry (16:22): “this generation will not pass until these things come to pass”. Some Christians point to this prediction of Charlie and accuse him of prophesying falsehood.”
Dr. Green: “Do you think that the authors of the Newer Testament would preserve a false prophecy of Charlie in their Gospels? It is obvious that we are misunderstanding Charlie’s words because otherwise his followers would have never preserved them. There are actually several explanations that are possible when we consider Charlie’s words in their proper context. Charlie says “this generation”, but how do you know which generation he was referring to? It is entirely possible that he was talking of the final generation that will actually usher in the Messianic age. Another explanation offered by the most erudite scholars (Charolite scholars of-course), is that only some of the events will come to pass in the lifetime of his immediate followers, but the rest of them will only come to fruition at the end of the age. Yet another explanation of Charlie’s prediction tells us that the original followers of Charlie will come back to life before the Messianic age begins, and that they will not die an eternal death before they see Charlie come back in his glory. Any of these explanations are possible, so there is no way that Charlie can be accused of false prophecy.”
Joe: “Dr. Green, can you please tell us what you consider to be the most convincing proof of the Messiah-ship of Charlie?”
Dr. Green: “Gladly! Turn to Isaiah 53 of the Old Testament. Ask yourself: “who is this talking about?” people throughout the world, immediately associate this passage with Charlie. I am well aware that in countries where the message of Charlie has not yet permeated, people do not associate this passage with Charlie. In fact, in many states in North America, where the Charolite literature is banned by the Christian Churches, people never heard of Charlie, so they are incapable of making the correct associations. Still, wherever people have heard of Charlie and of his atoning death, they immediately associate this passage with him.
The fact that some associate this passage with Jesus is not a contradiction to the Charolite faith because Charolites believe that this passage in Isaiah actually refers to both Jesus and Charlie. The Scripture actually supports this concept because it identifies a plurality of saviors (Obadiah 1:21). This fits perfectly with the theology of Charolite because Charolites believe in two Messiah’s. But I have yet to hear a satisfactory Christian interpretation that explains the passage in Obadiah.
Furthermore, and I want your undivided attention for this one, Jesus could not have been the ultimate fulfillment of Isaiah 53. This passage can only be understood if we recognize that Jesus partially fulfilled this prophecy while Charlie came and fulfilled it in its entirety. In verse 9 of this passage we learn that the suffering servant is to die with the rich and be buried with the wicked. Now if we turn to the New Testament of Christianity we find that Jesus dies with the wicked, (remember the robbers crucified on either side of him), while he is buried in the grave of a rich man. Charlie on the other hand fully fulfilled the prophetic prediction. In the pile-up that took his life, there were two Porsches and a Lamborghini. Charlie certainly did die with the rich. When Charlie was laid to rest, it was with the wicked. The people buried on either side of him were both well known criminals. One of them had been accused of tax-evasion while the other had several traffic violations on his record. It is only in Charlie that the prophetic word is fully fulfilled.”
Joe: “The Charolite claim that Charlie is the fourth person of the god-head sounds strange to many Christians. Christians accuse the Charolites of polytheism and paganism. Could you please shed some light on this matter from a Charolite perspective?”
Dr. Green: “Sure. First of all, I want to make clear that we Charolites fully affirm both the monotheistic creed of Judaism and the Trinitarian creed of Christianity. Many Charolite Churches recite the Nicean creed as an essential part of their service. So we do not believe in four separate gods.
Another matter that I would like to clarify is that the term “fourth person in the god-head” appears nowhere in the Newer Testament. I find that this term only confuses people and I believe that it should be avoided. Charolites believe that the second person in the god-head is both Jesus and Charlie. It is not as if Charlie became Jesus, for that would be an absurdity, we believe that Jesus became Charlie. The sinless nature of Jesus came to dwell in the sinful personality of Charlie.
There is abundant Scriptural evidence for this doctrine. Psalm 89:27 reads: “Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.” Many Christians recognize that this is referring to the second person in the god-head. Yet verse 30 of that same passage speaks of the sins of this individual’s children. This cannot be a reference to Jesus, who never sinned and never had children. This passage only reached its full fulfillment in Charlie who was both sinful himself and had sinful children. Similarly, Psalm 41:9, which Jesus explicitly claimed to have fulfilled, speaks of the sins of the Messiah (verse 4). Since Jesus did not sin in his first earthly ministry, it is obvious that he must return and live a sinful life in order to fulfill this Messianic prophecy.
The key concept here is that way back in the days of Jesus people could not fathom a sinful Messiah. God had to break this concept in slowly, through progressive revelation. First, it had to be demonstrated that the divine could be semi-human, and finally it was demonstrated that the divine could be totally human.”
Joe: “Why do you refer to Jesus as “semi-human”? Do you not accept the Christian doctrine that Jesus was 100 percent human?”
Dr. Green: “It is only the Charolites who truly accept that doctrine. Christians who reject the Messiah-ship of Charlie believe in a semi-human Messiah. It is an essential part of human nature to sin. It is only through belief in Charlie that Christianity comes to its true goal of belief in a human Messiah who was both 100 percent human and 100 percent divine.”
Joe: “Can God sin?”
Dr. Green: “I would not be so quick to place limitations on God’s abilities. God could do whatever He so pleases.
I would ask you a question Joe. Do you want to believe in a savior who has never tasted the shame and the guilt of sin? Would you rather believe in a savior who was always right and never knew what it felt like to be wrong? As a Charolite I could fully identify with my savior who has been there and done that and I can be confident that he fully identifies with me.”
Joe: “Didn’t Jesus promise that those who believe in him will have eternal life? How does this square with Charlie’s claim that there is no path to eternal life only through faith in him?”
Dr. Green: “How could Christians receive eternal life if they rejected Jesus when he returned? True believers in Jesus recognize that Charlie is the true incarnation of Jesus, and throughout history, the true believers in Jesus were looking forward to the ultimate sacrifice of Charlie.”
Joe: “One final question if I may. How do you respond to the claim of the Doormans that the Book of Doorman is the true continuation of the Charolie Newer Testament?”
Dr. Green: “I want you to turn to the Book of Proverbs chapter 30 verse 6. The prophet clearly and explicitly states that no-one can add on to the inspired word of God. There is no way that we can accept additional books into the inspired canon of the three fold Testaments of the Old, the New, and the Newer.”
Joe: “Thank you Dr. Green for sharing your time and your scholarship with us today.”
Dr. Green: “You are more than welcome.”
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Yisroel C. Blumenthal