Fourth Response to Dalton Lifsey

Fourth Response to Dalton Lifsey

 http://thecontroversyofzion.com/2012/02/my-third-response-to-yisroel-blumenthal-the-hope-of-the-world-and-the-mercy-of-god/

Dalton

Thanks for your post. I’ve responded to one of your comments about a year ago (it seems you still haven’t read my blog). Isaiah responded to another one of your comments several thousand years ago (I still wonder if you have ever read his book in its true context).

Your claim that Jesus is one and the same with the Creator is obviously fallacious as I have demonstrated in this little parable:

https://yourphariseefriend.wordpress.com/2010/11/10/knock-knock/

Your unfounded accusation that my opinion is based on a predisposed assumption tells me how closely you’ve been paying attention to my words.

Your comments about a “distant” God lead me to ask you the following question. So do you believe that before Jesus was born; God was a “distant” God?

It may also help you to read the following posts:

https://yourphariseefriend.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/acknowledgment-and-denial/

https://yourphariseefriend.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/trust-grattitudeand-the-joy-of-obedience/

Isaiah responded to your comments about a “high and lofty” God here:

Isaiah 57:15.

I have a question for you about some of your previous posts.

In your first post (entitled “Anemic”) you castigated me for failing to consider the scholarship of Dr. Brown. You end your second post (entitled “Open Response”) with a quote that exalts foolishness and denigrates scholarship. How do you reconcile these two arguments?

You seem to be interested in the “blindness” argument. You will perhaps appreciate the following:

https://yourphariseefriend.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/a-tale-of-two-schools/

Before we continue this dialogue, I respectfully request that you read what I’ve written on these subjects – then you have a free hand to critique my position.

With appreciation for your willingness to dialogue

Yisroel

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Yisroel C. Blumenthal

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3 Responses to Fourth Response to Dalton Lifsey

  1. Blasater says:

    Isnt it true that the “blindness” of the Jews ends, certainly by the redemption of the Jewish people in the messianic age? Then why did Jesus blind us if he is the messiah-god? Messiah is to bring clarity and Torah observance. John 9 and elsewhere: “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind.” If Jesus was “God” doesnt he have the power to write the law on our hearts? Circumcise ours hearts? Why didnt he?

    Why when we are in exile, we will serve the false gods, wood and stone (the Cross and the Kabba) and where does it say that gentiles will have the truth and we will learn this truth in exile? Exile is punishment but we receive “Gods” truth in exile? Where does it say that? And why if the gentiles are spreading G-ds light and truth of “yeshua”, as Dalton says, is G-d going to pour out His wrath on the nations?

    And why does G-d use the Jewish people as a means of showing His holiness in the messianic era? Ezek 36:23″ I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD,” declares the Lord GOD, “when I prove Myself holy among you in their sight. 24 For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.”

    Did you catch that Dalton?: Then the nations will know that I am the LORD,” declares the Lord GOD, “when I prove Myself holy among you in their sight.

    Does G-d ANYWHERE say He will make the nations know that He is G-d through His son? Through His messiah…through His godman? No…He does it through the Jewish people.

    If Christianity is the truth in exile, why do the Jews have to be washed clean when we are gathered back? Why if we have been in Christian nations are we filthy?

    Why if Jsus is G-d, does G-d reveal this “truth” in a prophetic book (Is 9) instead of the Torah where all we need to know about G-ds nature is revealed, plainly, by G-d? Why is such a vital revelation of a complex unity, ALWAYS, involve unclear, prophetic scriptures with not ONE single verse or paragraph revealing this complex unity…in plain langauge? Such as: I am the lord your god, I am three, yet one, besides me is a son, whom I will reveal. My son is me. etc…

    Because it is all a false narrative…that is why. None of it stands the scrutiny of the Pshat of scripture nor even a logical test.

  2. naaria says:

    WOW.
    Blasater- That about says it all.

    In your quote from John, taking it literally, I can understand as good that those “who do not see may see” but that is not really a judgment, unless one will be rewarded for their “blindness” (blindness to evil?). But what sort of perverted “judgment” is it that “those who SEE may become blind”? See what? And the problem is “see when?”. Literally, it is good not to see. Now, I know that is not what the NT author is trying to say. But it is part of a philosophy that is foreign and is about the nature of sin, why one is a sinner, etc. It is also about who was willing to accept Jesus and who was not and the so called “guilt” of the Pharisees. It is also a mis-interpretation of verses in Tanakh, like in Isaiah 42. But a true anointed one of God will promote spiritual sight and light in everyone. To see God. So, we could interpret John as saying “that those who do not see God will see Jesus, those who do see God will not see Jesus”? As some believe, God chooses to shine a light for some only (revealed to a few who can’t help but believe or are “forced to”). But God wants “darkness” for Jews and all others, which makes God sound like the Christian devil. Less benign, is Deut 13, which is a test, but not from God. God allows people to tempt other people with a “prophet”, a “savior”, a “god”, a beautiful fruit from a tree in a garden. We can choose the new thing that man offers in the “name of God” or we can choose the original God who gave us Deut 13. Don’t think that you chose right because you weren’t “hit by lightning. Remember Cain didn’t die & he prospered in the world, although he chose his own “new” way instead of God’s original way, Torah.

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