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Yisroel C. Blumenthal
Great conversation! I enjoyed watching it.
Ah. Let us all come near to what you’re saying is the heart of Judaism! What a gift… thanks, you two, for living it and talking about it.
And these things go for anyone. When we know what God wants in some area, then we can only get over our own selves and learn to make an offering for Him of it. Jew and Gentile alike can draw near to that light.
Some great or fundamental points were made. I have heard so often the term “personal savior” as if that is what their “faith” is all about. “Personal”, meaning “it is about me”. “Savior” meaning it is all about “my state”, “my welfare”, “my self-interests”. In churches, I have heard so often, “it is not about you, it is not about me, it is all about Jesus”, but I hardly ever hear “it is all about God”. And often what I am really hearing is that “Jesus is all about ME” (and in many texts, especially “John’s gospel” it seems that “Jesus is all about promoting Jesus”, his worthiness, his exaltation, and not that of God’s, except usually when God is referred to as “his” father). Jesus seems to be “a god created in the image of man” which is not that different from “a god incarnated in the flesh of man”, which are ideas present in some pagan religions and which is defined in the Hebrew Bible as an “idolatry”. Often, it seems “God is decreased so that Jesus is increased” and so God is really “all about Jesus” and “Jesus is all about me”. In other words, if it weren’t for “me” (or about my & believers self interests), there would no need for any Jesus.
So instead of the Christian assertion that “Jesus is God’s plan to get to us” (as if God had no other way), it winds up that Jesus is “our plan” to “get to God”. Which is seen in how NT writers mis-interpret and/or “cherry-pick” the Hebrew Bible in order to build a theology or a “Christology” and to attempt to provide “proof” and make a case for belief, not in God the Creator, but in Jesus. In this plan, we (as children of God) supposedly can’t have a relationship with God, unless we go through a man, who is some other child or “son of God”. We build him up, as a scapegoat or “sacrifice” for our own sake. But as we built him up & worship this man-image, he becomes a god who replaces God, in our minds. We built him up, because it is all about us our “salvation”, “our eternal life”, “our escape from our imagined hell”, etc. It is not all about God for God’s sake.
That is very well put! Thank you for sharing those very insightful comments (truths), Yedidiah. A must needed “eye-opener “
Such an important point. The question isn’t, “What’s in it for me?” but “What does God demand of me?” Whatever the eternal consequences, we owe God our obedience.
Studied the Christian scriptures with faithful believers, I never could get an intelligent explanation how Yahshua (Jesus) could be g-d. So I have come to the conclusion that the concept of the trinity is a lie developed in the 4th century by the church. Tell a big enough lie long enough and people will believe it is true.
Not all Christians believe in the trinity concept, one example is the Jehovah Witnesses.
When I read or hear the phrase, “4th century”, what is brought to my mind is a concept that began to become popularized in the 20th century. What some modern apologists are trying to do, is an attempt to re-write Christianity’s history. Christianity wasn’t “invented” in the 4th century and it was not “pure” before then. In fact, there was much more diversity of Christian beliefs before then than there is today. We see “heresies” and many different gospels (beside Paul’s) mentioned in the text of some the NT itself. The trinity concept existed in the 2nd century, along with such beliefs as, that Jesus was only spirit, that he never existed in human form, or that he was Judaized (made Jewish).