Turning on a Dime

It is not easy to determine if someone (or a group of people) arrived at a theological conclusion on the basis of intellectual searching or if the conclusions were generated by some external factor and it is not always ethical to attempt to make these judgments. But when the group in question readily switches their beliefs from end to end simply in order to maintain their conclusion in the face of changing facts, it is naive and even irresponsible to take them seriously. Allow the followers of Jesus to illustrate.

According to the Christian Scriptures the followers of Jesus identified Jesus as the Messiah. This means, in the best case scenario, that the followers of Jesus had carefully and thoroughly built in their minds a comprehensive portrait of the Messiah as predicted by the Jewish prophets. These men felt that their portrait of the Messiah was so solidly grounded in Scripture that they were willing to take upon themselves the weighty responsibility of positively identifying the Messiah with all of its cosmic ramifications. But after all of their Scriptural research they still did not expect Jesus to die (Luke 24:21) and they actually saw his death as a contradiction and a refutation to his Messianic claims. The portrait that they had developed did not include suffering, crucifixion, and resurrection. They had read Isaiah 53, Daniel 7, Psalm 22 and all of the missionary proof-texts without it occurring to them that the Messiah is supposed to suffer and die.

But after Jesus died and after they believed that he was resurrected, their portrait of the Messiah underwent a radical change – now the Messiah MUST suffer, he MUST die and if you deny these Biblical “truths” than you MUST be spiritually blinded.

If the Biblical interpretation could turn around on a dime just so that it can keep up with the devotion, there is no reason to grant it any credibility. It is not a matter of being judgmental; it is a matter of being responsible and faithful to the truths with which we were entrusted.

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7 Responses to Turning on a Dime

  1. Paul Summers says:

    When the Jewish nation were told by Moses they were adulterous, stiffnecked etc, he warned them to repent, and be careful not to fall away from Gods statutes in the future. Moses then added, ” you have already done so” ie; the future is obvious, because The Lord knows your hearts.

    The scriptures did predict Jesus life, death etc. Yes the disciples did not see the scriptures fully in all its truth. The NT teaches this very clearly. The NT clearly teaches that faith was the pre equisit of Seeing Christ for who He was, pre death. Gods plan for the fulness of His first coming was to be seen by the apostles very clearly post resurrection. The account of the 2 men on the road after the ressurection teaches thus.

    The leaders of Israel had the Law, Prophets and the writings to see that Jesus was the Christ. He authenticated His claim, many times.

    A matter of fact here. The law of Moses which God gave Israel at sinai, was not the Law Israel were practising in first century Israel. Today this is very true of course, dispersion, no temple, priest etc. Israel were blood brothers of Moses, but were not spirtual brothers.

    When the very author of the Law dwelt amongst His people, for most they spat in His face. Just as the scriptures said they would. The irony is, the constant rejection is the fulfilling of the Jewish scripture.

    So who were blinded most, the disciples of Christ, or the leaders of Israel who rejected Jesus?

    Its not a matter of knowing the Law verbatim, its about knowing the Father who sent His Son on the account of the Law.

    • Yedidiah says:

      If Jesus and his disciples were part of the Jewish nation, then according to you they were “adulterous, stiffnecked etc.” as well. Which explains why Jesus and his disciples (of the “1st century” did not practice the law of God given through Moses.

      The “Father” already had “Sons” & Daughters on earth, so a “son” did not have to be “sent”. A son could be selected and he did not have to be a “foreigner” bringing the law from overseas (Rome) nor “bringing it down from heaven”, according to the scripture given to Israel. Now in pagan polytheism, there were “divine sons of god”, so you may be claiming that status for Jesus. But “divine sons” did not need to be “anointed” by their god, since their “natural states” was much higher than that of an “anointed person” or “messiah”. The God of Israel can select and anoint an ordinary person (as messiah), but the term “sent” suggests that your view of God is not very strongly based on God’s law given to Israel through Moses. I have a feeling that your idea of sacrifice may also have little to do with God’s Law (especially if you feel that a human being can be a “true sacrifice” and acceptable to God, rather than an abomination.

    • Tsvi Jacobson says:

      Paul: Interesting comment. I think that Stiff necked can be seen in many groups Jews included. I have known many Christians who fit that category as well as many who hold the most ridiculous doctrines that other Christians decry such as handling snakes. I am sure you heard of the preacher that was handling a snake and when the snake bit him the snake died.hmmmm. As far as Jesus authenticating his claim many times (pre-cross) tell lme how. He healed? So did Elijah. He raised the dead Ditto. Even the so called New Testament states in Acts that there were Jewish healers that didn’t believe in Jesus claims. So what did he do to prove Messiah ship. He knew the woman at the well was living with a man not her husband. I have seen this demonstrated on “America got talent” Now aside from the second coming doctrine which to a biblically sensitive person whose answer is: “We will wait and see before accepting this” Jesus did nothing that was promised in our scriptures. You know Universal peace (Isaiah 2 and 11). You have hitched your wagon to the fact that the majority of Americans are brought up with a Jesus consciousness all around them. As were the Canaanites long ago with their gods. I recall listening to Billy Graham and I marveled as he just assumed Jesus being Messiah in his message. No Isaiah 11 or Ezekiel 37 just that he was and is. No dice for a Jew is in covenant relation to God and that covenant demands of us to rely only on Torah N’veeim, and Kesuvim. I doubt seriously if you realize that you must have the mind of a Jew in order to qualify any Messiah for if you don’t you will fall prey to the Anti Messiah
      That is Anti = Substitute Messiah. Check out the sources…Start in Genesis.

  2. Ed says:

    Please let us know which Law Israel was following in first century Judea if it was not the Mosaic Law. Also please provide just one properly translated verse from the Hebrew Bible that states the Mashiach would suffer and die and that atonement is achieved by believing that person X is the Mashiach.

  3. Shomer says:

    Jesus was not anointed according to Torah! So, why should he be the Messiah?

  4. Devorah says:

    The Torah of Moses which G-d gave Israel at Sinai, the same Torah observant Jews were practising in first century Israel. and that observant Jews follow today. G-d tells us only to bring sacrifices where he commands (which was not a hill outside of Jerusalem). We do not bring sacrifices anywhere else — in observance of His Torah.

    G-d told us at Sinai that any “god we did not know” at Sinai or any religious practices unknown to us at Sinai were false. That includes Jesus whom our forefathers did not know about back at Sinai. The very things Moses warned us about you want us to do! We will not turn from the one true G-d.

    And G-d will not turn from us even though He has punished us for our wrongdoing He never rejected us and never will. Judges 2:1 “I will take you up from Egypt and I have brought you to the land that I have sworn to your forefathers and I said, ‘I will not break my covenant with you FOREVER.” It is a fundamental principle of Judaism that the Torah received at Sinai will never be changed nor become obsolete. This concept is mentioned in the Torah no less than 24 times, with the words:

    “This is an eternal law for all generations” (Exodus 12:14, 12:17, 12:43, 27:21, 28:43, Leviticus 3:17, 7:36, 10:9, 16:29, 16:31, 16:34, 17:7, 23:14, 23:21, 23:31, 23:41, 24:3, Numbers 10:8, 15:15, 19:10, 19:21, 18:23, 35:29, Deuteronomy29:28)

    G-d promises to punish the Jews for our sins — but NOT to reject us. Jeremiah 46:27.”You fear not, O Jacob My servant, and be not dismayed, O Israel! for behold, I will redeem you from afar and your children from the land of their captivity, and Jacob shall return and be quiet and at ease, and there shall be none who disturb his rest. 28. You fear not, My servant Jacob, says the Lord, for I am with you, for I will make a full end of all the nations where I have driven you, but of you I will not make a full end, but I will chastise you justly, and I will not completely destroy you.”
    Psalms 105:8-10 “He remembers His covenant forever, the word He had commanded to the thousandth generation, 9. Which He had made with Abraham, and His oath to Isaac, 10. And He set it up to Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an EVERLASTING COVENANT”

    There is a lot they don’t tell you in Christianity — and it is a shame that a religion which claims it is built on “Christian love” can express such vehement hatred against people who do nothing more than love G-d and follow His word.

    G-d repeatedly tells us that He will not break His covenant with Israel EVER. Here are just a few: Leviticus 26:44-45 “But despite all this, while they are in the land of their enemies, I will not despise them nor will I reject them to annihilate them, thereby breaking My covenant that is with them, for I am the L-rd their G-d. 45. I will remember for them the covenant [made with] the ancestors, whom I took out from the land of Egypt before the eyes of the nations, to be a G-d to them. I am the L-rd.”

    While I am sure you wrote your post out of love wanting Jews to know the truth, is the very reason we reject what you believe. . . we trust in G-d and His holy words. . .

  5. Ed says:

    kudos to tsvi, shomer and devorah. devorah, don’t be fooled. this guy never posts out of love. He just posts the usual anti-Semitic b.s. that he probably learned from reading his greek testament or from his church teachers.

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