The Guilt of Books

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The Guilt of Books

Books don’t commit crimes, people do. If we are going to discuss the guilt or innocence of a given book, we need to first define and delineate what the discussion is going to be about.

There is no discussion about the commitment of the crime. It happened and it is still happening. People are still using the canards of the Christian Scriptures to delegitimize, dehumanize and to create an unjust negative image of the Jewish people and their beliefs. This is not open to discussion, this is a fact of history and it is a fact of life.

The question that is being discussed is the question of the intent of the authors of the Christian Scriptures. If the authors of the Christian Scriptures had no malicious intent then we cannot rightly accuse them of criminal activity. Perhaps they were negligent, perhaps they were foolishly naïve…

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30 Responses to The Guilt of Books

  1. Eliyah Lion says:

    Dina said: Dina says:
    June 9, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    ”… Jesus said he would destroy the Temple himself. He did not; it was destroyed long after he died. He said he would rebuild it in three days; he did not. The Third Temple has yet to be rebuilt. He said no stone would be left standing on the other. The Western Wall still stands.”

    I am surprised that nobody responded to this lie of Dina. Dina for the record and to counter your blatant lie here is the truth from the mouth of Yohan Gospel chapter 2:

    18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”
    19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
    20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
    21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them;and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said. (NKJV)

    • LarryB says:

      EL
      Your surprised that people who do not believe in the new improved testament did not respond to Dina’s response? Your kidding? As an ex Christian, who the heck is Yohan?
      It’s good your not speaking in public, everyone would be leaving long time ago.

    • Eliyah Lion says:

      Larry why should I waist my time with you. Obviously you are an unlettered in the matters of the Faith and surely you come for the sects of protestantism:men of one moment unable to grasp the Scriptures with their carnal minds. I will say about you one more thing:

      2 Peter 2 New King James Version (NKJV)
      Destructive Doctrines

      ”2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgement has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.”

      You have been warned!!

      • LarryB says:

        EL
        Why should I waste my time with 2 Peter? How many bibles does God need? Following you there would be a new bible every few thousand years. PS. I gladly ignore all your man God scripture “you have been warned”

  2. Sharbano says:

    Your warnings have no substance therefore NO ONE has a thing to worry about with YOUR words. Don’t you realize, are you unaware that Peter is speaking of YOU. You have came here with implications of being a prophet and said you weren’t “allowed” to prove it. Well, well, how CONVENIENT.

    • Eliyah Lion says:

      Sharbano you have demonstrated how you can not properly read English. But the Lord who bought us you have rejected with your sect. The condemnation applies to those who once follow him and now reject him by the prideful imagination of their heart:

      ”2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgement has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.” (2Peter2)

      • Sharbano says:

        As Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef once said about some, “They don’t even know their own texts”, which can be applied to ones as yourself.

  3. Eliyah Lion says:

    Eliyah Lion says:
    June 7, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    Shalom to all! Another point that can seriously shake the foundation of Judaism today is the book of Daniel. Daniel with the prediction of the Temple’s second destruction.

    That should make us wonder why the Yehudah tribe and some Levite want a third Temple to go back to ancient rituals that the modern mind will surely oppose. Animal sacrifice is no longer a highly regarded practice (maybe in Moshe or Abraham time) but now mostly Muslim practice this ritual from ancient ages. What’s disturbing is that religious fanatics still are attached to the restoration of an ancient Temple where animal sacrifice will be performed.

    Therefore it is imperative to know that the Tanakh have different levels of interpretation suiting different mentalities. For the carnal minds animal sacrifice is a must of the 3rd Temple coming. But for spiritual minds the sacrifice of a contrite hearts is better than any animal sacrifice. For the sons of the Light, the ultimate sacrifice of the One Lamb is sufficient to redeem us of the price of our sins. Why? For this Lamb is not carnal but the Dabar Elohim manifested in the flesh in which his blood is highly highly highly priced to redeem us all and save us from Egypt and the bondages of sin.

    The Exodus our ancient history of redemption was a work of might by YHWH Eloheinu which foreshadow His marvellous Work of Redemption and Salvation of all Israel and the elevation of all the Goyim from the rank of pagan slaves worshipping demons to the rank of slaves of our King Rigthteous the Messiah through which we worship in the Dabar and the Ruah YHWH ELOHIM.

    The power of conquest of the Resurrection of the Messiah destroyed the pagan world to elevate our age to the service of Elohei Abraham Isaac and Yaakov. For He was sent into our cosmos to keep the Promise of YHWH , which the enemy was working to impede. But who can oppose ELOHIM WILL: WHO IS LIKE YHWH EL-ELYON

    Also why YHWH Elohim let the Yehudim wandered for 2 thousand years. What transgression let them be cast out of the Land for so long? They rejected the 3rd Temple for they were attached to stones and wood in their carnal minds failing to reform their minds through the power of grace given freely to those who believe in the redemptive power of the Messiah and the true reality of his awesome Resurrection. For we are witnesses of the Resurrected and the Ruah confirms our dabarim for we are children of the Dabar to the glory of YHWH Elohim.

    • Sharbano says:

      Apparently you don’t understand the nature of animal sacrifices. Also it wasn’t ONLY animals that went on the Mizbeach. People today assume the practice as being something barbaric, primitive. But Now we are “civilized”, no longer primitives. Such is the tone of your remarks. What is NOT realized by people like you, and others of the same mindset IS it is happening TODAY. Anytime a person eats meat they have performed an animal sacrifice. What is left out is there is no offering to Hashem. That’s the ONLY difference between the Second Temple and EVERY YEAR since then. You, and all other Xtians, seem to be under the illusion that all sacrifices were for sin. Far from it. You see your messiah hasn’t ended animal sacrifices, even among the most diligent Xtians.

      So how can you come here purporting to give some esoteric knowledge when your basic knowledge is lacking. Xtians, and even some Rabbis assume that the Gentiles came along in order for the nations to learn of the messianic principle. It is only Who it will be that is the difference. I don’t hold with this teaching. That is saying that when Mashiach comes on the scene G-d wouldn’t be able to use that event in such a way that the nations would come to the correct knowledge. It also ignores Jeremiah’s teaching that if the Gentiles will go to My people and learn My ways from them they will escape destruction.

      It has been common for you and all other Xtians to once again, “Assume” the dispersion and destruction of the Temple was the Not accepting of J’sus. Jim has made excellent points that this doesn’t bear fruit. First of all, the majority of Jews weren’t living in Eretz Yisrael, but were already spread out. One has to look at the totality in order to understand anything. As is said about Talmud study, One cannot understand Any of it until he studies the entire Talmud, at least once. Considering how ALL the prophets spoke of four exiles with four beasts and Daniel’s interpretation of the great statue we realize that the fourth is the worst of all. If Klal Yisrael were All in the land no doubt the entire nation would not have survived. By using the avenue of dispersion it has saved the Jewish people. We DO know who it was that was in power for most all those centuries and who took actions against the nation. It is the Xtians who bear that responsibility. By allowing the Xtians that power Hashem has actually “preserved” the nation, since assimilation wasn’t considered under those circumstances. THIS is the much more likely scenario than the Jewish nation denying the Xtian message. It takes REAL Chutzpah for Gentiles to tell the Jews that G-d basically chose Them over the Jews for such a mundane matter. For all that Gentiles say about J’sus he didn’t really bring Anything to the table. As you people admit, it wasn’t until the resurrection that his life had any meaning. Therefore his teaching had no effect Until then. And what was the state of the church in the aftermath. The church split into factions. There was disarray among those who were left namely Jams, Peter and Paul. Why would any Jew of that time heed the words of an organization that had no cohesion. Most who read the Xtian text have been blinded by euphoria and cannot accept how divided that church really was. And you all expect US to follow that example. I will choose Hashem instead. The Hashem who gave us clarity.

    • Eliyah Lion says:

      Sharbano your view of animal sacrifice is that YHWH need your animal sacrifice that people of all the earth must come to give animal to be sacrifice… This is non-sense. Your are calling for a system of another age going against the will of YHWH.

      Yahushuo Sacrifice is the Perfect Sacrifice in whom we sacrifice all for the the Glory of YHWH. He is the Perfect Lamb for the Perfect Communion, not a shadow of communion and thanksgiving but the Real Thanksgiving and the Real Perpetual Sacrifice to be performed in the coming 3rd Temple when yours will be cleanse…

      Bless those who have ears to hear!!

      • Sharbano says:

        What! WHAT!!.
        Did you even read the post. What you wrote in reply make No Sense. You may not be a native English speaker but my words were not difficult at all. I suggest you re-read the words and see if you can comprehend my point.

        An interesting point comes to mind when you speak of a “Perfect Sacrifice”. WHY is it a “perfect sacrifice”. It is true that G-d says He doesn’t require sacrifice and Xtianity says the same. Considering THIS then the entire concept of a human sacrifice, perfect or NOT, is unnecessary to say the least. Therefore the idea of J’sus being a sacrifice, in and of itself, is a contradiction.

        • Eliyah Lion says:

          Sharbano you don’t even know why animal sacrifice existed in the past age!! Wow, ignorance for someone preaching the return of animal sacrifice…

          Wake up we are no more in the last age! Yahushuo Sacrifice is the Lamb of Passover to be eaten standing where is blood protect us from the angel of death.

          All past rehearsal was accomplished in what the Messiah did in his Cedar linked with the altar of the Cross where as the Innocent Lamb, he was sacrificed to be the bearer of the sins of his People to make us enter the Promise of the Kingdom of the Heavens.

          But being carnal minded you will like always understand carnally deforming what is spiritual… For you forget that the sin of Adam was transmitted without fault from our part and that original sin had to be rectified by the Innocence of the Perfect Man for He is the Dabar in the flesh.

          • Sharbano says:

            A cross, an altar. Give Me A BREAK!. Was that cross sanctified to be holy, as Ezekiel had said. Since you have claimed the Third Temple spoken of is spiritual then you are contradicting what you say Ezekiel spoke of. You are nothing but a literal MASS of CONFUSION in every thing you have claimed to believe. How are you Any different than the Samaritans who were transplanted to Israel and were idolaters of that time.

          • Eliyah Lion says:

            Sharbano who sanctifies the altar? What makes it holy? The holy Lamb sanctified by his holy Blood the Altar of the Cross. Plain and simple! Folly to the pagans and scandal for the Jews!! But to those who believe they have the power to become sons of the Most High and reign with the One Messiah in the world to come …

          • Sharbano says:

            That is NOT how the altar is sanctified. You simply do NOT put an animal on the altar and let its blood drip down and call it sanctified. You see EL you have no REAL Torah knowledge and as a result you don’t understand how things are done According TO TORAH. You have to just MAKE IT ALL UP. Of course this sounds plausible to those ignorant Jews and Gentiles but to those who have REAL understanding, we see through it all and are not only Not convinced but we see the ignorance behind it. Therefore when you give your warnings we consider nothing but a joke.

          • Eliyah Lion says:

            Sharbano you should honestly try to improve your reading of English. I sometimes wonder if you have a mother tongue or may be in your sect they do not allow you to learn proper English. To learn at least a tongue properly is a must. Now read carefully:

            The Holy Lamb = The Messiah Yahushuo = Dabar Elohim in the Flesh = Eternal Messiah
            His Holy Blood = The holy Life

            Where do you see any animal their?? Are so blind not to see that the Holy Blood makes all things holy? The Ruah HaKodesh sanctifies everything. The Messiah is One with the Ruah to manifest the Glory of YHWH

            His Sacrifice was made to give us back what the satan rob us also if the satan as no role in your sect deluded what does Genesis 3 v14-15 says to contradict your denial:

            “Because you have done this,
            You are cursed more than all cattle,
            And more than every beast of the field;
            On your belly you shall go,
            And you shall eat dust
            All the days of your life.

            15 And I will put enmity
            Between you and the woman,
            And between your seed and her Seed;
            He shall bruise your head,
            And you shall bruise His heel.”

            If you can not see properly than your seed might be of the satan : O according to you Genesis is wrong!!

          • Sharbano says:

            I see you are changing your story. You’re the one who spoke of a cross being an altar. Maybe it’s you who is not paying attention.

            Your view of Genesis sounds like utter nonsense. We know that the serpent ( Nachash) had, at one time, places for legs. but now, are no longer there.

        • Eliyah Lion says:

          Again understanding everything carnally. The serpent נָּחָשׁ which means ‘life confined and destroyed’ is the destroyer of life. The animal serpent was just a vehicle of his cunning. The spiritual Serpent is cunning to confined your mind and destroy the life of grace in you. Your ignorance of Genesis 3 confirms how deluded and lied to by your false scribes and teachers who have darken the way your perceive the enemy of mankind.

          It is voluntary to make you reject the necessity of a Saviour. Clever lies to think that the original sin can be cleanse by your own pharisaic human justice. Wow blind you are…
          for only in the One Justice can we be justified by therefore accomplishing the whole Torah.

          • Sharbano says:

            Another example of your lack of Hebrew knowledge.
            Where did you actually gain the belief of the satanic belief of Genesis. Everything you say doesn’t actually come from any Ruach. You are just parroting what the Xtian writers WANT you to believe. You believe in THEM and therefore all your beliefs are From There. Since that text is so fallible to be untrustworthy then everything it teaches is also fallible and untrustworthy. You reference of Psalm 110 and J’sus quoting this just as you wrote it shows its flaws.

          • Sharbano says:

            I think we may be coming to your true purpose here. What YOU want is for those here to IGNORE you and then you will go and say to others that they couldn’t answer your positions. This isn’t unique. It is the same thing that is written in your Xtian text. When J’sus quotes that Psalm 110 and they didn’t answer the Xtian author assumes that they were unable to counter his argument. This was tried on me also by someone. I showed them what the Psalm ACTUALLY says and told that person they probably thought he was a total ignoramus and saw no purpose in speaking to a fool. In the end you will only be a winner in your own mind. You’re not the only one who has used this tactic. Many a Xtian has done the same and then went elsewhere and Falsely claimed they “WON” the argument. You have done the same thing here on countless occasions. So, do you go to your comrades and boast how you have bested those here. It’s all in your mind.

  4. Eliyah Lion says:

    This passage of Zachariah the prophet teaches us from the Ruah holy that the satan is to be rebuked, reproved,… If he is a good angel why is he to be rebuked by YHWH.

    False doctors of the sect teach that all angels are all good. But then why this passage:

    ”Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you!” (Zechariah 3 NKJV)

    Here is the Hebrew text:
    וַיַּרְאֵנִי אֶת־יְהוֹשֻׁעַ הַכֹּהֵן הַגָּדוֹל עֹמֵד לִפְנֵי מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה וְהַשָּׂטָן עֹמֵד עַל־יְמִינוֹ לְשִׂטְנוֹ
    וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֶל־הַשָּׂטָן יִגְעַר יְהוָה בְּךָ הַשָּׂטָן וְיִגְעַר יְהוָה בְּךָ הַבֹּחֵר בִּירוּשָׁלָםִ

    Here is the literal translation to respect the accurate meaning of the text:

    ”And he showed me Yehoshua the high priest standing in front of a Messenger of YHWH and the satan standing at his right-hand to accuse him
    And he will say YHWH against the satan ‘he will rebuke YHWH in you the satan and he will rebuke YHWH in you the chosen in Yerushala’im’ ”

    What an amazing prophecy!! We see the battle between the Chosen and the satan where YHWH is against the satan but where the liberties of each are respected. We are in this combat. Those choosing the Chosen are with YHWH those choosing the satan thought they won in Yerushala’im when in the satan they crucified the Chosen. Now will we seen in our generation the true winner:

    8 In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

    10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. (Zechariah 12)

    • Sharbano says:

      Even in your KJV there is no implication that the S’tan is acting against G-d’s will. As his name implies, he IS the accuser. There is no difference than in the earthly court. The prosecutor will allege all manner of wrongdoings by the defendant. He will do so vigorously, even so far as knowing the innocence of the man. He will use every means available to further that goal. How is it any different in the heavenly court. What we DO know is that you have an agenda that is apart from G-d’s agenda and thus your Eisegesis readings.

      • Eliyah Lion says:

        Sharbano, If he is a good angel why is he to be rebuked by YHWH? (Zechariah 3)

        Also why do we call the satan the enemy, the serpent, a flying serpent and other names in Scriptures:

        Psalm 74:3
        Lift up Your feet to the perpetual desolations. The enemy has damaged everything in the sanctuary.

        Psalm 74:10
        O God, how long will the adversary reproach? Will the enemy blaspheme Your name forever?

        Psalm 74:18
        Remember this, that the enemy has reproached, O Lord, And that a foolish people has blasphemed Your name.

        Psalm 78:42
        They did not remember His power: The day when He redeemed them from the enemy,

        Psalm 78:61
        And delivered His strength into captivity, And His glory into the enemy’s hand.

        Psalm 89:22
        The enemy shall not outwit him, Nor the son of wickedness afflict him.

        Psalm 106:10
        He saved them from the hand of him who hated them, And redeemed them from the hand of the enemy.

        Psalm 107:2
        Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, Whom He has redeemed from the hand of the enemy,

        Psalm 143:3
        For the enemy has persecuted my soul; He has crushed my life to the ground; He has made me dwell in darkness, Like those who have long been dead.

        Isaiah 14:29
        “Do not rejoice, all you of Philistia, Because the rod that struck you is broken; For out of the serpent’s roots will come forth a viper, And its offspring will be a fiery flying serpent.

        Isaiah 27:1
        In that day the Lord with His severe sword, great and strong, Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan that twisted serpent; And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.

        Isaiah 30:6
        The burden against the beasts of the South. Through a land of trouble and anguish, From which came the lioness and lion, The viper and fiery flying serpent, They will carry their riches on the backs of young donkeys, And their treasures on the humps of camels, To a people who shall not profit;

        Isaiah 51:9
        Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord! Awake as in the ancient days, In the generations of old. Are You not the arm that cut Rahab apart, And wounded the serpent?

        • Concerned Reader says:

          Lion, you are just arbitrarily deciding that the context of all those verses’ use of the term “enemy” applies automatically to the Satan and to nobody else. Enemy in these verses can just as easily be referring to wicked men, the accusing angel, enemy nations, etc. given the contexts. you are confining the meaning of the verses based on preconceptions. G-d rebukes the Satan because he is a just judge, but scripture itself testifies in Isaiah 45:7, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

          Notice in the book of Job how G-d gives the Satan the express authority to tempt Job? Its because Satan works for hashem. Satan and the angel of death from Exodus (who carried out G-d’s will against the Egyptians,) are synonymous.. Satan carries out the divine will.

        • Sharbano says:

          A rebuke doesn’t confirm your point. Just the opposite. Why would G-d “Create” an adversary. This should be plainly obvious to anyone.

          • Concerned Reader says:

            Satan is the adversary for humans (to give them a choice to obey or disobey G-d,) but he is not hashem’s adversary as Christians say he is.

        • Eliyah Lion says:

          Con, Sharbano everything is in YHWH hand and he wills and permits what He wants. He is Supreme : the satan and all demons serve his justice but the mercy comes from the Messiah: the combat is Justice against Mercy but at the End everything will be fully restore in YHWH for He is the Almighty.

          WE know that Mercy won on the Cross because the Justice was satisfied in the Perfect Lamb offered for the burning of the sins… You need to study a lot you guys. This is very important to understand your salvation. I love you!!

  5. Dina says:

    Just following.

  6. Eliyah Lion says:

    For those who doubt that the power behind the prince of Tyre was the satan who sinned and became a fallen angel then you should read Ezekiel 28:

    11 And came Dbar-YHWH Elay to said
    12 “Ben Adam deliver a lamentation over a king of Tyre and say to him
    ‘Thus said Adonay YHWH: “You were a seal of perfection, full of wisdom and a complete beauty
    13 In Eden gan-Elohim you were, every stone precious covering you;

    14 “You(feminine) a cherub far-reaching wings who covers
    I have established you in a mountain holy of Elohim
    You were in a midst of stones of fire you were pacing
    15 Blameless you were in your ways from the day you were created,
    Until was found iniquity in you.

    16 “In an abundance of your trading they filled in your midst violence,
    And you have sinned and I have desecrated you from a mountain of Elohim
    And I destroyed O cherub your covering from a midst of stones of fire.

    (Own translation)

    This prophetic teaching goes against the sect proving once more that this sect is not real Judaism.

    • Sharbano says:

      No one ever claimed the S’tan didn’t have an influence. THAT is his primary mission. What Xtianity has done is turned him into the form derived from Zoroaster. One that rebelled and was cast out. Which brings a question to mind. If this really were the case that such an entity “rebelled” why wouldn’t G-d have merely ended his existence. According to your religion it is the nature of man and original sin that needs cleansing. The S’tan would not have any affect on that nature. So his purpose is unnecessary.

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