The Doctoral Candidate – a parable by Jim

The Christian claim is that the resurrection is proof of Jesus’ messiahship. However, it cannot be a proof in any sense, because there is no proof of the resurrection itself, as an event. To help illustrate how hollow the claim that the resurrection proves that Jesus was the Messiah, whatever that means to the believer, please allow me to present the following analogy.

Let us imagine a man, a doctoral candidate, who must take an exam to earn his degree and title. He receives his exam, and he sits writing for some time. Once time is up, he confidently gives the exam to the qualifying board to review. But, they stare at the paper, mouths agape. They say to the candidate, “You have not answered even one question! You are clearly not qualifed to become a certified doctor.”

“No! No!” the man exclaims. “You have it all wrong! I wrote my answers in invisible ink. Rest assured, I do know everything there is to know about the field.”

Do you think that the certifying board will just take his word for it?

Yet this is what the Christian demands. He claims to have proof that Jesus is the Messiah, but his ‘proof’ is nothing of the kind. It is a mere assertion. It is an event to which virtually no one had any direct knowledge. It is like invisible ink. At first the Christian claims to have proof, but then he says that one must just take his word for it; he must just have faith. He holds simultaneously the contradictory views that Jesus proved that he was the Messiah and that no proof need be given. He claims that Jesus has passed the test of the prophet, while invalidating the test.

Now the missionary will bring other proofs for the messiahship of Jesus, as well. He will point to various prophecies within Tanach, prophecies of the Messiah, prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. Strangely, many of the fulfillments of these prophecies also were unverified. They also must be believed without any evidence. As such, they also cannot serve as proofs. The evidence meant to induce faith cannot itself rely upon faith.

One of these prophecies, the fulfillment of which was never verified, is the supposed virgin birth. One cannot know that Mary was a virgin when she conceived and bore Jesus; it has to be taken on faith. This means that, not only is it not a sign, it is not a proof. Similarly, Jesus’ birthplace and lineage was unknown to people, even in his lifetime (see John 7:40-42). Yet the missionary will proclaim that Jesus fulfilled prophecies relating to the Messiah and that this is proof that he is the Messiah. He claims that these prophecies were fulfilled in secret, where no one could see or investigate, and at the same time declares them to be irrefutable evidences of Jesus’ credentials as Messiah.

These are more answers written in invisible ink. Let us return to that exam. One of the certifying board says that, though this is highly inconvenient, he knows a way to read invisible ink. He has a special lamp that will warm the paper and will make the answers written thereon to present themselves. While he is gone to fetch the lamp, a fellow member of the board notices a further irregularity on the test. He does not remember all of these questions being part of the exam. Indeed, the questions betray a shocking lack of knowledge on the part of the one that wrote the question. He wonders aloud which of the board members might have added these questions, but they are all as puzzled as he is. Perhaps it was the fellow who went for the lamp.

After some time, their fellow returns with the lamp. He sets it up and begins waving the paper slowly back and forth under its specially calibrated heat. To the surprise of the entire certifying board, some of the questions begin to disappear. They notice that these are those with which they had no familiarity. They expected to see more, not less. The strange light of the lamp was erasing questions, while the answers remained invisible.
Shocked, they accused the doctoral candidate of fraud. It was obvious, they said, that he added questions to the test. He agreed that he did add the questions, but he denied any fraud. Instead, he claimed that the board did not know the proper questions to ask, and that he, in fact, knew better than they what the questions were.

This is what has happened with many of the so-called prophecies that are meant to prove Jesus is the Messiah. Not only are the fulfillments unverified and unverifiable, the prophecies are not legitimately prophecies regarding the Messiah. For the sake of brevity, I will not rehash all of these; they have been discussed at length. But it is clear, for example, that Isaiah 7:14 is not a prophecy regarding the Messiah. Hosea 11:1, which Matthew makes out to be a prophecy about the Messiah being called out Egypt, is about Israel. Moreover, it is not predictive, but refers to the past. Likewise, John 13:18 makes the betrayal of Jesus out to be a fulfillment of Ps. 41:9, which is also not about the Messiah. Missionaries make long lists of prophecies of which Jesus is supposed to have fulfilled. However, the great majority of them are not Messianic prophecies.
And if a prophecy when read is not clearly referring to the Messiah, and if it was not verifiably fulfilled by Jesus, then it is not a proof of his Messiahship at all; nor can it be.
It is at this point that the missionary will be like our doctoral candidate. He will argue that he has a special insight into the material and is best suited to declare what is a Messianic prophecy and what is not. He will argue that those judging his claims just do not understand the prophecies the way that he does, but that they are indeed proofs of the highest magnitude. The missionary becomes the apologist, no longer trying to give evidence of the Messiahship of Jesus, but evidence that his reading of scripture is the superior one.

But wait! One of the certifying board notices that one of the questions has been scribbled out. This question is partially faded. It is one of those added to the exam by the candidate. The whole experience has been rather irregular, and this attempted erasure is only more bizarre. The member of the board inquires why this question was first added and then subtracted from the exam questions. In response, the candidate begins sweating and stammering. He says that they should not even review this question, because he had obviously not intended them to see it. It would not be fair for them to review the question.

This has been the response of some missionaries to the refutation of Zechariah 13:6. Missionaries, such as Sid Roth, once used this passage as proof that Zechariah prophecied about Jesus. The verse, quoted alone, sounded rather Christological to the missionary, particularly: “What are these wounds in your hands?” After it was pointed out to them that this was written about false prophets, they stopped employing the passage, of course. They tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug. They tried to erase that exam question.
But the question must be asked: On what principle did they at first accept and then reject this as a prophecy about Jesus? The answers are obvious and need little explanation. They thought it was about Jesus, because superficially it sounded like him. Wounds in hands? That sounds like the nails that pinned Jesus to the cross! Afterward, they changed their tune, because the context of the passage would make Jesus to be a false prophet. It is the context of the passage that told them that the verse they quoted was not about the Messiah and would make the missionary wish to no longer associate the passage with Jesus.

Yet the missionary ignores the context of the verse in question in those other questionable passages. Hosea 11:1 is about Israel, not the Messiah. He applies it to Jesus anyway. Psalm 41 is about a man that has sinned, but the missionary applies v. 9 to a Jesus he holds to be sinless. Isaiah 7:14 is about a child born hundreds of years before Jesus, but the missionary applies it to Jesus anyway. In these cases, and many others, the context of the ‘fulfilled prophecies’ shows them not to be Messianic altogether. Based on the same principle that turned the missionary away from Zechariah 13:6, these others cannot be proofs used to substantiate Jesus. It is apparent that the missionary is playing a game. He is perpetrating a fraud. He knows that context matters to understanding a verse, but he only applies this principle when it suits him.

The next question that one must ask is: If Jesus was the Messiah, why must a fraud be perpetrated to establish his credentials? This answer, too, is obvious. The missionary abuses scripture to establish Jesus credential because insufficient evidence exists. Invisible proofs are not proofs at all. A secondary method to establish Jesus’ credentials was desired. They would declare him to fulfill prophecy. However, Jesus did not fulfill any Messianic prophecies, things like building the third temple. New prophecies must therefore be manufactured. To do so, verses would need to be taken out of context. The Church would need to fake Jesus credentials.

The fact that the Church needed to perpetrate such a fraud tells one all he needs to know. He can rest assured that Jesus is not the Messiah. If he had been, no need to misrepresent Tanach would exist. A little scrutiny of the Christian case for Jesus shows the proofs to be all hollow, mere nothingness. Some of the supposed proofs must be accepted on faith, denying their ability to prove anything, like the resurrection. Other proofs were based on fraud, which are easily exposed with a little study. All those things meant to establish Jesus as the Messiah, when exposed to the bright light of truth, evaporate as the dew evaporates under the warm sun.

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46 Responses to The Doctoral Candidate – a parable by Jim

  1. Dina says:

    This is exactly right. Bravo, Jim!

  2. LarryB says:

    “A little scrutiny of the Christian case for Jesus shows the proofs to be all hollow, mere nothingness.”
    It’s embarrassing to admit but it was during my mid to late 20’s before I was ever concerned about the christian proofs. I still remember the first time I took the time to see what the christian proofs were about and if my memory serves me well the first one was -Is 7:14- my reaction was “But that’s not what it says”. Needless to say it was all down hill from there. Thanks for taking the time to write this.

    • Alan says:

      Larry,
      “Needless to say it was all down hill from there.” – yes, for falsehood and vanity; but uphill for truth, integrity, and Hashem being very proud of you.

  3. Storm says:

    WAS YESHUA GOD?
    Proverbs 30:4 – Who has gone up to heaven and come down. Who has cupped the wind in the palms of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Surely you know!

    Is it really so hard to grasp the fact that the same God who is powerful enough to have created the entire universe, is also capable of sending an aspect of Himself down to earth in the form of a human male, so that man could both better understand and relate to Him? (After all, He appeared to Moses as a Burning Bush and God was with the Jews in the form of “a pillar of cloud by day to lead them on the way, and in a pillar of fire by night” (Exodus 13:21, 22; Numbers 14:14; Nehemiah 9:12, 19).

    The New Covenant equates Yeshua with the Torah and the Tree of Life, stating that He was behind the creation of the heavens and earth: Colossians 1:16 – “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him”. John further states that Yeshua is the Torah, present with God and therefore “part of” God: John 1:1 – “In the beginning was the Torah, and the Torah was with God, and the Torah was God”. There is no question in the context of the passage that the Torah is Yeshua, the Torah is God, and Yeshua is God.

    In John 8:58, Yeshua actually declared not only His pre-existence but also took upon Himself the name of God as revealed to Moses in the burning bush: “Amen, amen I tell you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

    And further, in Matthew 26:63-64, the High Priest directly confronted Yeshua, saying to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God, tell us if You are Messiah Ben-Elohim!” (the Messiah Son of God). Yeshua responded: “as you have said,” thus affirming under oath that He is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God.

    When Christ was crucified, the inner veil of the temple was torn asunder… this refers to the masach (screen) and the ohr pnimi (inner light). The Messiah is a light that corrects the 32 parts of the Heart upon Gmar Tikkun (the end of correction) He is a pulling force from above. Messiah is a flesh and blood man who assumed human nature in order to unite man with divinity, so that we can have a sensation of the Creator through the love of him as being Incarnated upon the Earth and having sacrificed himself, so that our sense of shame and sin is corrected in our hearts. How can we have equivalence of Form with a Creator we cannot approach in the flesh?

    The Bible tells us that Yeshua’s work is not finished. According to Matthew 23:39, Yeshua must return, and this won’t happen until the Jews recognize Him as King, Messiah of Israel, saying, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!” When Yeshua returns the second time as mashiach ben David as He said He would (Luke 12:40) He will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing them back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

    So did Yeshua claim to be the Messiah? Yes, and more! He claimed to be the Messiah, the Lord, the Anointed One, and the unique Divine Son of the Living God, pre-existent, and one with the Father who will come again to judge the living and the dead!

    • RT says:

      Storm, before we arrive at any conclusion on who Yeshua was, we first you have to determine if G-d can become a man. G-d can do anything, but you probably agree that it is not in His nature for Him to lie. The same holds true for the incarnation of G-d, if G-d told us that He won’t become a man, then we can conclude without doubts that Yeshua was not G-d. Do you agree with that logic?

      • Alan says:

        RT,
        God is already “in” everything and everywhere; His very existence is the existence of everything. So everything is already an expression of Him – some things to a greater degree and others to a lesser degree. But because we and our minds are finite, it is impossible for us to perceive the Infinite. So from God’s point of view, He is everywhere equally but from our point of view His true infinite self is impossible for us to perceive directly. The most we finite beings can grasp is an awareness that He exists through finite manifestations be the physical (burning bush) or spiritual (prophecy). Hashem can manifest Himself in anything because he’s already there. So He wasn’t any more or any less present in Jesus than He is in me or in a mosquito or in a rock or in the Satan. From our point of view it’s a matter of how much He will let us become aware of His existence through any particulae phenomenon. But in truth. His existence is everywhere equally – not any more or less in Jesus.

        • RT says:

          Alan, maybe I did not explain properly what I meant. Could G-d become a man, (as Jesus being fully G-d)? I am not saying that G-d was not in Jesus, but could Jesus be G-d in the flesh?

          • Alan says:

            RT,
            God is in your flesh and soul just as much as He was in Jesus’ flesh and soul. He IS your flesh and soul. He is everything everywhere. The Infinite includes the finite but anything finite (the only kind of phenomena we can relate to) is not the Infinite. We are incapable of perceiving the Infinite in any way. If someone says he is both Kavi and God, this is impossible because Kavi has his own mind and will that is able to relate to God as separate from himself. So we see that Kavi can’t be God. But if we have a person who says that he is not really Kavi but God then this person would have to prove to us that he is telling the truth. We’d have to test him. Jesus didn’t even claim that he was only God.

          • RT says:

            Thanks Alan, very thoughtful and deep… My point was if G-d said in Deuteronomy 7 that he had no form and not to worship any form, that would nullify the claim of Storm that Jesus was G-D. I thought it was a starting point to the conversation… Storm, what do you think of Deuteronomy 7, shouldn’t be enough for any follower of HaShem to think “Wait a minute, G-d said he did not show any body, and not to worship any form of Himself, so Jesus is NOT G-d.” Why shouldn’t we arrive to that conclusion when G-d warned us explicitly not to do what you are doing (worshiping Jesus as G-d)?

          • Alan says:

            RT,
            I do think that Deut. 7 is the best starting point and I would like to know how Storm deals with it.
            And since God is One, how could God have more than one mind and will? As soon as there are two or more minds or wills that are both God, then we no longer have one God. And we see Jesus talking and praying to God and even admitting that his will is subject to God’s will.

          • Dina says:

            Also, it’s not something that can be proved. The people who actually encountered Jesus did not see God. They saw a man just like themselves. Why should anyone believe anyone who points to a man that is obviously a man and nothing more and claims he is God?

          • Alan says:

            Egberta comes to us and says she is Hashem. She says her name is actually Hashem even though her social security card says her name is Egberta Morris. As RT said, the Torah is very clear that we are forbidden to worship any forms – anything up above (spiritual forms) or down below (physical forms) – except for the formless God. Let’s say a Christian thinks this Torah prohibition has been nullified but he still believes that God is one. How would Egberta who claims to actualy be Hashem prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to this Christian?

          • Dina says:

            Egberta? Love it!

          • Alan says:

            RT,
            Did you mean Deut. 4, not 7?

          • RT says:

            Yes, I meant Deut 4…

      • Storm says:

        It’s important to base your study’s on the scriptures as a whole not one verse that stands alone lest it become a stumbling block. Study the Metatron aka angel that visited Abrahams tent before destroying Sodom.

        I believe this: For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God ~ John‬ ‭3:16-18‬.

        Did Yeshua Fulfill the Messianic Expectation as Prophesied in the Hebrew Scriptures?
        It is important to begin by saying that for one who has already made up his or her mind that Jesus is not the Messiah, no amount of evidence will be convincing. But for those who are honest in asking, the evidence speaks for itself. When sincerely asked, this question is a good one. After all, there have been false Messiahs in Jewish history. Among the most prominent were Bar Kochba and Shabbetai Zevi. Bar Kochba led a revolt against Rome in the years 132-135 C.E.

        During this revolt, one of the most famous figures in Jewish history, Rabbi Akiva, proclaimed him to be “King Messiah.” Unfortunately, Bar Kochba, Akiva and thousands of Jews were killed in 135 C.E. when the Romans stormed the stronghold of Betar. Shabbetai Zevi, on the other hand, was a self-proclaimed Messiah. Flourishing in 17th-century Europe, the Shabbatean movement spread among both the common people and the rabbis. But when Shabbetai Zevi was arrested in 1666 by the Sultan of Turkey, he converted to Islam rather than face death. We have been tragically wrong before, so it is not surprising that hard evidence should be sought for believing in Jesus.

        The chance of one single man fulfilling only 48 Messianic prophecies found in the Tanakh (Old Testament) would be 1 in 10^157*—to understand, that would be like the chance of finding, on the very first attempt, one specific electron out of all of the electrons in all the known mass of the entire universe! *1 followed by 157 zeros.

        Yeshua however, fulfilled not just 48 Messianic prophecies—He fulfilled more than 324 individual prophecies that the Prophets wrote concerning the Messiah!

        The Messiah has been prophesied in Scripture with great specificity.

        List of Messianic Prophecies:
        1. Messiah is to be born in Bethlehem
        Micah 5:2; fulfilled in Matt. 2:1-7; John 7:42; Luke 2:4-7

        2. Messiah is to be preceded by a Messenger 

        Isaiah 40:3; Malachi 3:1; fulfilled in Matthew 3:1-3; 11:10; John 1:23; Luke 1:17

        3. Messiah is to enter Jerusalem on a donkey 

        Zechariah 9:9; fulfilled in Luke 35-37; Matthew 21:6-11

        4. Messiah is to be betrayed by a friend 

        Psalms 41:9; 55:12-14; fulfilled in Matthew 10:4; 26:49-50; John 13:21

        5. Messiah is to be sold for 30 pieces of silver 

        Zechariah 11:12; fulfilled in Matthew 26:15; 27:3

        6. The money for which Messiah is sold is to be thrown “to the potter” in God’s house

        Zechariah 11:13; fulfilled in Matthew 27:5-7

        7. Messiah is to be born of a virgin 

        Isaiah 7:14; fulfilled in Matthew 1:18-2:1; Luke 1:26-35

        8. Messiah is to be hated without cause

        Isaiah 49:7; Psalm 69:5; fulfilled in John 15:24-25

        9. Messiah is to be silent before His accusers 

        Isaiah 53:7; fulfilled in Matthew 27:12

        10. Messiah is to be executed by crucifixion, by having His hands and feet pierced 

        Psalm 22:16; fulfilled in John 19:28

        11. Messiah is to be given vinegar to quench His thirst Psalm 69:22; fulfilled in Matthew 27:34

        12. Messiah is to be executed without having a bone broken Exodus 12:46; Psalm 34:21; fulfilled in John 19:33-36

        13. Messiah is to be buried with the rich when dead Isaiah 53:9; fulfilled in Matthew 27:57-60

        14. Messiah is to be raised from the dead
        Isaiah 53:9-10; Psalm 2:7; 16:10; fulfilled in Matthew 28:1-20; Acts 2:23-36;13;33-37; 1 Corinthians 11:4-6

        15. Messiah is to be executed by crucifixion as a thief Psalm 22:16; Zechariah 12:10; Isaiah 53:5, 12; fulfilled in Luke 23:33; John 20:25; Matthew 27:38; Mark 5:27, 28

        We find that the chance that any man might have lived to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 10^17.” That would be one in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates:

        “ . . . we take 10^17 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover the state two feet deep. Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly. Blindfold a man and tell him that he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing just eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man, from their day to the present time, providing they wrote in their own wisdom.

        “Now these prophecies were either given by inspiration of God or the prophets just wrote them as they thought they should be. In such a case the prophets had just one chance in 10^17 of having them come true in any man, but they all came true in Christ [Mashiach].

“This means that the fulfillment of just eight prophecies alone proves that God inspired the writing of those [eight] prophecies to a definiteness which lacks only one chance in 10^17 of being absolute.”

        Why didn’t most Jewish people believe in Jesus, and why were they so taken in by false Messiahs like Bar Kochba and Shabbetai Zevi?

        To understand this, one must realize that by the time of Jesus, the Messianic hope had become greatly politicized in the minds of the people. They were seeking deliverance from the tyranny of Rome. Although the Scripture spoke both of the sufferings and of the victories of the Messiah, the victorious aspect had become uppermost in the minds of the common people because of the Roman domination. This “lopsided” view of the Messiah has stuck with Jewish people, and the politicization of the Messianic hope has continued. Thus the hope of a political rather than a spiritual Messiah contributes to both the acceptance of people such as Bar Kochba, and the rejection of Jesus in his role as a Messiah.

        although the Talmudic rabbis concurred that Isaiah 53 was a prediction of the Messiah, by medieval times the pressure from those who applied this prophecy to Jesus was so great that Rashi, that greatest medieval Biblical scholar, reinterpreted the chapter and said it referred to the nation of Israel. This interpretation is maintained today by many Jewish scholars, though it only dates back to the Middle Ages.

        Study the prophecies yourself and ponder the mathematical probability of just one person fulfilling even a few of these specific prophecies. Even more importantly, be intellectually honest and open to truth. Pray. Ask the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob if Yeshua is the Messiah of Israel. He will answer you and lead you into all truth.

        • RT says:

          “Study the prophecies yourself and ponder the mathematical probability of just one person fulfilling even a few of these specific prophecies.”

          I will convert to Christianity if only ONE prophecy fits reasonably Jesus… Are you willing to check at them? You may pick the one of your choice that Jesus “fulfilled”. The power of the Christians is in the number, but as Rabbi Skobac said “365 times 0 equals still 0!”

          P.S. some of the 365 prophecies were deleted from the list, as they did not fit Jesus at all!

        • Dina says:

          Storm says, “It is important to begin by saying that for one who has already made up his or her mind that Jesus is not the Messiah, no amount of evidence will be convincing.”

          And I say, “It is important to begin by saying that for one who has already made up his or her mind that Jesus is the Messiah, no amount of evidence will be convincing.”

          I also say: please back up with evidence your slander of the rabbis, claiming they interpreted Isaiah 53 as being about the messiah but then bowed to pressure and changed their interpretation. If you cannot find the evidence, please apologize to the rabbis and the Jewish people for this despicable slander.

          You also wrote that, “During this revolt, one of the most famous figures in Jewish history, Rabbi Akiva, proclaimed him to be “King Messiah.” Unfortunately, Bar Kochba, Akiva and thousands of Jews were killed in 135 C.E. when the Romans stormed the stronghold of Betar.”

          So how do you know Bar Kochba wasn’t the real messiah? Because he was killed? By the Romans, no less? Ahem, ahem….

          Your list of prophecies is absurd. You clearly haven’t read what Tanach has to say for itself, in context. If you search this website for them you will see how easily they are refuted.

          One last point: you claim that the Messiah is supposed to be spiritual rather than political. By spiritual I assume you mean saved from our sins and by political I assume you mean saved from oppression by our enemies. Correct me if I’m wrong. If not, please provide clear proof from the Hebrew Bible that the job of the Messiah is to save us from our sins. No hints, please.

          • RT says:

            I choose Bar Kochba! He might still come back from the dead… AND he did not ask to be worshiped as a god (That’s a nice plus as I have not to commit idolatry worshipping a messiah/god)

        • Jim says:

          Storm,

          I am delighted to find that we have an area of agreement. I believed that this would be more difficult for us to find than it was. However, you have affirmed an idea that you will find in my article. You write: “It’s important to base your study’s on the scriptures as a whole not one verse that stands alone lest it become a stumbling block.” This is an important principle, and it is this principle that shows that Jesus did not fulfill the long list of Messianic prophecies that the Church has strung together.

          You can see this in my article. Strangely, though you admit that context is important, you quote passages that clearly are not Messianic and treat them as if they were. Even stranger, I mentioned some of these in my article. For the sake of brevity, I am not going to explain every “Messianic prophecy” you listed. Other places have gone into these at great length. I second the recommendation of listening to Rabbi Skobac on this. You can find his work on this matter on truth2u.org. He goes over 365 prophecies.

          Allow me to touch on the so-called virgin birth prophecy, because I already touched on it in the article. I can only wonder at your posting this as a prophecy fulfilled by Jesus considering it does appear in my article. It is clear that Isaiah 7:14 is not about the Messiah. It is about a child born during the time of Isaiah and King Ahaz. This is clear from the chapter and the verses following 7:14. “[The child] shall eat curds and honey by the time he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land before whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted” (Is. 7:15-16). This has nothing to do with Jesus, nor anything to do with the Messiah. This lone verse has indeed become a stumbling block to the Church, because it does not read the scriptures as a whole.

          Regarding the birthplace of the Messiah: Micah 5:2 is not about the birthplace of the Messiah. Indeed, it is not talking about a little town, but a little clan. It is talking about the Messiah being descended from the house of David. If you read Matthew carefully, you will see he misquotes it. But even if it were about the birthplace of the Messiah, virtually nobody knew he was born there, as I mentioned in the article. And it is not as if Jesus had a birth certificate.

          A major point of my article is that the supposed fulfillments of prophecy by Jesus were unobserved. He is supposed to have been born of a virgin. No one verified that Mary was a virgin, and therefore this is not a sign and cannot establish Jesus as the Messiah. He is supposed to have been born in Bethlehem. Yet the people of his time did not know that he had been born in Bethlehem. Claiming to have fulfilled prophecy in secret is not proof of anything.

          Storm, do you not see that there is a serious problem with the prophecies Jesus is supposed to have fulfilled. You have to take his word for it that these things happened at all.

          Imagine the following scenario, if you please. You are driving to the store one day. You stop at a light and a man runs up to your car and opens the door. He shouts that he is a police officer, and that he must commandeer your vehicle. Smartly, you ask to see his badge. He tells you that it is in his pocket, but you can take his word for it that he is a police officer. And he is not trying to steal your car. Really. No, really. Would you give him your car? I doubt it.

          But this is what the Church has done. It has told you that Jesus is the Messiah. But there are no evidences of this. Oh, he fulfilled umpteen prophecies (that do not relate to the Messiah.) Certainly, he fulfilled them where you could not see them, “but,” the Church says, “you can trust us.” Also, he rose from the dead like he promised… just, in secret… “but, believe us, it happened.” And he was transfigured… also in secret.

          If you would not yield your automobile to a police officer that will not show you his badge, will you yield your devotion to a Messiah that will offer no proofs.

          And, of course, you say that you have many proofs. But, please, take your own words to heart and see that reading a verse in isolation will only serve as a stumbling block. The thirty pieces of silver in Zechariah had nothing to do with the Messiah. Psalm 22 is not about the Messiah; it is about David. (And it actually says nothing about hands or feet being pierced. That is a mistranslation.) Isaiah 53 does not say that the servant would be buried with the rich. It says he would be buried with criminals. (It says that he would die with the rich. Jesus does this backward, and clearly does not fulfill it.) When John quotes Ps. 41 in regard to Jesus being betrayed, it is obvious that that the psalmist is not writing about the Christian Jesus. Earlier in the psalm, the figure confesses his sin. Christians hold that Jesus never sinned. (This also appeared in my article, and it is a bit flabbergasting that you would ignore that these passages have already been addressed.) All of these passages serve as a good reminder that taking a portion of the prophets’ words will turn that passage into a stumbling block. It will leave the mind of the reader confused and prevent him from knowing the truth.

          Jim

          • Jim says:

            Rabbi Blumenthal,

            Thank you for posting this link. Please forgive my own omission of it.

            Jim

    • Alan says:

      Storm,

      Did you start learning Tanakh in depth after you became a believer in Jesus or did you already have a solid knowledge of Tanakh before you became a believer in Jesus?

    • Dina says:

      Storm asks:

      “Is it really so hard to grasp the fact that the same God who is powerful enough to have created the entire universe, is also capable of sending an aspect of Himself down to earth in the form of a human male, so that man could both better understand and relate to Him?”

      Is it really so hard to grasp that God is powerful enough to be able to forgive without the need for a sinless human sacrifice (Genesis 4:7, Deuteronomy 30, Ezekiel 18 and 33, 1 Kings 8:46-53)?

      Is it so hard to grasp that God is powerful enough to hear the prayers of those who call to Him sincerely without the need for an intermediary (Psalm 145:18)?

      Is it so hard to grasp that God is fair enough and reasonable enough not to demand the impossible of the humans whom He created with built-in weaknesses–namely, perfect obedience to the law or eternal condemnation?

      Is it so hard to grasp that God is so merciful and so compassionate that when He judges us He will account for the frailties that He Himself created us with (Psalm 78:38-39)?

      • RT says:

        Amen! Well said Dina!

      • Eleazar says:

        Storm wrote:

        “Is it really so hard to grasp the fact that the same God who is powerful enough to have created the entire universe, is also capable of sending an aspect of Himself down to earth in the form of a human male, so that man could both better understand and relate to Him?”

        So Storm you are admitting what no orthodox Christian admits, that you believe God has “parts”. You admit as much when you say ” is also capable of sending an aspect of Himself down to earth…” . An “aspect” is a part. You are saying there is one God but many “parts” of God. Also in saying that, you are saying Jesus was “part God and part man”. This are things that fly directly in the face of trinitarian apologetics; indeed against the Athanasian Creed itself ( “not dividing the substance”). The Athanasian Creed being the most basic defining doctrinal statement of the Christian faith.

        In other words, like most who come here you are not really a Christian in the generally accepted meaning of the word. Just as any potential convert to Judaism who would boldly deny any of the Ten Commandments would not be accepted by a Beit Din as a genuine convert.

    • Dina says:

      Storm says that Jesus won’t return until the Jews accept him as king.

      Not. Going. To. Happen.

      Christians have failed for the last 2000 years to convert the Jewish people, and that is not for lack of trying.

      Christians need to own up to the following uncomfortable problems:

      1. God promised that He would always preserve a remnant of the Jewish people. The original movement of Jesus followers did not survive as a Jewish movement. To the contrary, the much-maligned Pharisees constituted the only group of Jews to survive the destruction of the Second Temple and to form a continuous chain of biological descent connected with strong Torah observance. Every single group that strayed from this “rabbinic” Judaism has fallen by the wayside, including converts to Christianity whose descendants without exception assimilate into the general population. (We see this happening now with groups like Reform Judaism which do not accept Divine authorship of the Torah and who are assimilating at a rate of 80% according to the Pew Research Center.)

      2. God selected the Jewish people to be His witnesses (Isaiah 43:10,12; Ibid. 44:8), and last I checked there was no expiration date on that status. Furthermore, God promised that His covenant with the people of Israel means that He has placed His spirit upon us and His words in our mouths from now and forever (Isaiah 59:21). And last I checked, forever means, well, forever.

      3. Christianity was imposed by force upon the entire European continent, and despite some holdouts for a little while, eventually every single other culture succumbed, from the Norsemen to the Druids to the Picts. The only people to resist the message of Christianity was a scattered and weakened small group of people with no central leadership. Christians need to ask themselves how this is possible. It should not have been possible for such a small, weakened scattered group to resist the enormous pressure exerted by Christendom to make its religion extinct when other, larger, stronger religions could not.

      • Storm says:

        It will happen just as the prophet spoke:

        See, a day shall come for יהוה, and your spoil shall be divided in your midst. And I shall gather all the gentiles to battle against Yerushalayim. And the city shall be taken, the houses plundered, and the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into exile, but the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. And יהוה shall go forth, and He shall fight against those gentiles, as He fights in the day of battle ~ Zeḵaryah ‭14:1-3‬.

        You should all stop hiding behind this verse: Ěl is not a man, to lie; nor a son of man, to repent! Has He said, and would He not do it; or spoken, and would not confirm it?~ Bemiḏbar ‭23:19‬. As an excuse to reject Gods only atonement for your sin as it’s talking about HaShems character not being fickle like mans it’s not stating that He would never become a man. Read context!!

        Here’s a website for you all to reeducate yourself in a proper manner pleasing to God: http://www.facingeachother.com

        And don’t forget: Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour?~ Iḇ`rim ‭10:28-29‬.

        • Alan says:

          Storm,
          Sorry but the verse doesn’t say He is not LIKE a man, it says He IS NOT a man – in what way? – He is not fickle and doesn’t lie.

          Also Hoshea 11:

          9 I will not execute the fierceness of Mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim; for I AM GOD AND NOT A MAN, the Holy One in the midst of thee; and I will not come in fury.

          Again, it could have said “I A GOD WHO IS NOT LIKE A MAN.”

          • LarryB says:

            Storm
            I find your video so offensive. –Those ‘expleative’ lying Rabbis hiding the truth, and forbidding the portion of Torah from being read in the synagogue, that would save us all–.
            Is this all you got? Insults? A video? I have a question for you, who does Isaiah tell us the servant is? Remember servant is only mentioned once in Isaiah 53 and messiah is mentioned Zero times. You would probably object and point to John 8:44 here but we need to focus on Isaiah since he has the hidden truth you desire. Here’s one of many references Isaiah makes to who the servant is, Is:44-21. “Remember these things, Jacob and Israel, for you are my servant: I fashioned you to be my servant. Israel do not forget me.” Because you Storm are not one of the servants are you allowed to forget? Re-read Jhn 8:44 and tell me who is the liar and refuses to uphold the truth.

          • Alan says:

            Thanks Larry!!!! The video is saying that the rabbis know that Jesus is the messiah and are purposely hiding it from the people –

            https://outreachjudaism.org/are-the-jews-hiding-something/

          • robster2016 says:


            That’s correct G-d is not a man He’s spirit but He become a man in the body of Yeshua to atone for your sin. Without Him you will die in your sin

            kind of confused with what any of this means. the spirit became meat/flesh which would mean god became meat.

            how much of spirit became meat? 10 % 50 % or 100 %

            if only some, then you mean “without some of him you will die…”

            ?

          • Alan says:

            Robster,

            Storm is either saying the meat is god or god is meat or jesus is meat or meat is jesus or meat is spirit or spirit is meat. I want to become a vegetarian.

        • Alan says:

          And please help me understand why I should believe that Jesus is Hashem? My fathers taught me that if anyone who looks like a human says he’s God, I should think he’s a liar and run away from him and his followers. So I’m asking you – how can I be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Jesus is Hashem?

        • Dina says:

          Storm, I would like you to put aside for one moment your eagerness to see us all “die without compassion” (a sure sign of Christian love) and consider for one moment the following question:

          Are you hear to debate with us, a process which requires both sides hearing each other out, attempting to understand each other’s arguments, and responding directly to those arguments in a process that leads to greater clarity? Or are you hear to preach at us?

          I ask this because you have not responded to a single argument I made.

          I look forward to your reply.

    • LB says:

      Storm
      Can the creator become the created? Can God make a rock so big he cannot lift?
      Can God make square circles? If the creator can become the created the other two questions don’t seem so difficult.

      • robster2016 says:

        yes, it seems like storms god can also stop being god. it seems like he can make the flesh bit back into god by doing reverse engineering. so a christian should really be worshipping the flesh

    • LarryB says:

      Storm
      Just for clarity, what do you believe? You start with the question “Was Jesus ‘Yeshua’ God?” Then it kind of looks like you believe he is God, but you end with another question, So, did Yeshua claim to be the Messiah. Which is it? Do you believe him to be God, the son of God, or the messiah? Maybe you believe this is a different trinity?

  4. dneff613 says:

    Reblogged this on Daily Musar and commented:
    The fact that the Church needed to perpetrate such a fraud tells one all he needs to know. He can rest assured that Jesus is not the Messiah. If he had been, no need to misrepresent Tanach would exist. A little scrutiny of the Christian case for Jesus shows the proofs to be all hollow, mere nothingness. Some of the supposed proofs must be accepted on faith, denying their ability to prove anything, like the resurrection. Other proofs were based on fraud, which are easily exposed with a little study. All those things meant to establish Jesus as the Messiah, when exposed to the bright light of truth, evaporate as the dew evaporates under the warm sun.

  5. Jim says:

    Storm,

    In answer to your post here: https://judaismresources.net/2017/08/02/the-doctoral-candidate-a-parable-by-jim/#comment-38457 .

    Thank you for your response to my article. It is difficult to read the work of someone who disagrees with your faith. It can leave one feeling quite uncomfortable, so I would like to commend you on the act of bravery involved in reading the work of someone that so strongly opposes your faith. And I appreciate you taking the time to formulate a response. However, I would like to respond to your comment. Respectfully, I would like to show why most of what you wrote does not address the argument of my article and hopefully bring a little clarity to the topic.

    You begin your response by asking whether or not Yeshu was God (but I think you mean “is”?) And you go on to quote Prov. 30. Immediately, you have diverted from the topic. The topic is not “What did Jesus claim?” The topic is “Were Jesus’ claims verified?” Granted, it is an important to discuss why Jesus was not God and why one ought not to worship him. But in this article, that was not the subject.

    So, when you ask if it is “so hard to grasp the fact that the same God who is powerful enough to have created the entire universe, is also capable of sending an aspect of Himself down to earth in the form of a human male, etc.?” the question is not relevant. Whether or not such a thing can be imagined is not the question. The question is whether or not this is a mere claim, unsubstantiated, or if some proof can be brought in favor of the claim.

    Listing instances in the NT where it is claimed that Jesus was God is of no answer. My article did not argue that the NT never makes any such claim. My argument is that Jesus’ claim to Messiahship, whatever that means to the believer, is unsubstantiated.

    Please feel free to reread the article to understand my meaning. It may also help to read “Pentecost vs. Shavuot” to which this article was meant to add further elucidation. You can find that article here: https://judaismresources.net/2017/06/11/pentecost-vs-shavuot-by-jim/

    And please look through R’ Blumenthal’s articles. This is his site, and he has written many wonderful things on this topic and others, showing why one need not and ought not put his trust in a human being but ought rather to rely upon HaShem.

    Jim

  6. robster2016 says:

    “Is it really so hard to grasp the fact that the same God who is powerful enough to have created the entire universe, is also capable of sending an aspect of Himself down to earth in the form of a human male, so that man could both better understand and relate to Him?”

    so you want to have relationship with CREATED aspect of god? okay, now tell me, WHAT was the POINT for your god to tell ppl that they took for god

    a human who needed air to breath (Isaiah 2:22)

    you are telling me THAT you want to do spiritual adultery with created aspect of god and your god is telling that people took a human who breaths, as god.

    • robster2016 says:

      “Is it really so hard to grasp the fact that the same God who is powerful enough to have created the entire universe, is also capable of sending an aspect of Himself down to earth in the form of a human male, so that man could both better understand and relate to Him?”

      your christian brethren say that that which “makes up god” and that which makes up human DOES not mix. God brings things into existences which did not exist, LIKE tomorrow and the day after. if God does NOT mix even according to the christian argument, then he is a SEPARATE being which does not get penetrated by finite. and he definitely cannot mix into creation otherwise he done idolatry with himself. i ask , if God is all powerful and according to the christian argument 2 natures DON’T mix, what does it even mean ” down to earth in the form of a human male” ???? you will always have a separate THING in existence.

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