Kitten

Kitten

Imagine a little kitten. It is entirely possible for a person to find some positive feelings in his or her heart towards this kitten. Now, if someone were to encourage you to engender a positive feeling in your heart toward our kitten and place these positive feelings at the very center of your life. You are being encouraged to submit yourself in complete and total devotion to this baby cat. You are told that this kitten is the fourth person in the god-head and that it is a living incarnation of Jesus. You are further told that all of your love and devotion to Jesus is meaningless if you don’t live your life for this kitten.

I would guess, that as a Christian, you would have some serious philosophical, theological and Scriptural objections to this suggestion. I would further guess, that none of these objections would be mitigated in the slightest if you were told that in some mysterious way, this kitten and Jesus are one and the same.

But more importantly you would have a devotional objection. As a Christian you would say that Jesus is already the center of your life and that you lack nothing in the Trinitarian god that you worship. You would say that your relationship with the divine is complete and that there is nothing that your god is missing that a relationship with this kitten could supply.

If one of the followers of the kitten were to tell you that if you give your heart to the kitten you will become a greater messenger for Jesus, you will find a deeper assurance of your right standing for eternity and that your relationship with Jesus will be greatly enhanced, would you feel that he answered your devotional question? Or would you say that this follower of the kitten has no clue about what you feel in your heart toward Jesus?

P.S. Was David missing anything with God?

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28 Responses to Kitten

  1. Alan says:

    Rabbi B,
    As far as I know there is no mention in Tanakh or in the rabbinic literature of David having a relationship with a kitten or a cat.

  2. Alan says:

    1 Samuel 17:34-36 – David killed a cat.

  3. Yehuda says:

    Rabbi B.

    I would like to expand on your kitten thought experiment in the following way.

    Say, you are a christian, and you know someone a fellow christian who in fact has given their devotion to Rabbi B.’s kitten in the manner he suggests – that the kitten is in fact a new incarnation of the divine in a manner much like Jesus’s incarnation (it is the embodiment of the feline aspect of the god-head – not the word of God, but the purr of god). Now you as a good christian find this, frankly, appalling and you try to prevail upon your spiritually misguided friend. You tell him that nowhere in the scripture is there any suggestion of a feline incarnation. He points to various psalms talking about lions (including psalm 22). You tell him he is taking them out of context , but he insists he is not. He then challenges you: Who are you to say that god couldn’t manifest as a cat or what god could or couldn’t do? You raise the stakes; you call him an idolator. He challenges you further:

    “Idolator you say?, Point me to a single solitary scripture that says that a cat could not be the living incarnation of God?”

    Your response?

    • Alan says:

      Yehuda,
      If a person was so inclined they might use the following verse to support their belief that there is a feline aspect to their god –

      Lamentations 3:10 –
      י דֹּב אֹרֵב הוּא לִי, אריה (אֲרִי) בְּמִסְתָּרִים. HE IS A BEAR LYING IN WAIT FOR ME, A LION IN HIDDEN PLACES. – This verse says plainly that god IS a bear and a lion in one. It doesn’t say LIKE a bear or LIKE a lion but that god IS both a bear and a lion.

      • Alan says:

        So according to this verse, god incarnated into a bear and a lion in the lifetime of Jeremiah.

        • RT says:

          And you MUST Believe in the lion, if not, you the son won’t accept you.

          The Kitten is the visible image of the Lion of Judah. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation. You cannot believe on the Lion of Judah, if you don’t believe in the Kitten of Judah as well, because the lion is a foreshadow of the kitten, and you cannot believe in a lion if he was not first a kitten. Believe in the Lion, believe also in me, the kitten. The kitten is the way the truth and the life, no one can come to the lion, unless through me (the kitten). If the Word and the Way are Truth, so the Kitten is truth. Prrrr to the Messiah redeemer through the Kitten, for all things were made through him, but My People (the Church) rejected me, the source of Purrs and lasagnas!

          Ok, I should stop here and go back to work 😉

          Behold the Kitten of god who takes away the fur balls of the world!

    • Alan says:

      Yehuda,
      I might show this person the following verses –

      Deut. 4 –
      טו וְנִשְׁמַרְתֶּם מְאֹד, לְנַפְשֹׁתֵיכֶם: כִּי לֹא רְאִיתֶם, כָּל-תְּמוּנָה, בְּיוֹם דִּבֶּר יְהוָה אֲלֵיכֶם בְּחֹרֵב, מִתּוֹךְ הָאֵשׁ. 15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves–for YOU SAW NO MANNER OF FORM on the day that the LORD spoke unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire–
      לה אַתָּה הָרְאֵתָ לָדַעַת, כִּי יְהוָה הוּא הָאֱלֹהִים: אֵין עוֹד, מִלְּבַדּוֹ. 35 Unto thee IT WAS SHOWN, that thou mightest know that the LORD, He is God; there is none else beside Him.

      Deut. 13 –
      ג וּבָא הָאוֹת וְהַמּוֹפֵת, אֲשֶׁר-דִּבֶּר אֵלֶיךָ לֵאמֹר: נֵלְכָה אַחֲרֵי אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-יְדַעְתָּם–וְנָעָבְדֵם. 3 and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee–saying: ‘Let us go after other gods, WHICH YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN, and let us serve them’;
      ז כִּי יְסִיתְךָ אָחִיךָ בֶן-אִמֶּךָ אוֹ-בִנְךָ אוֹ-בִתְּךָ אוֹ אֵשֶׁת חֵיקֶךָ, אוֹ רֵעֲךָ אֲשֶׁר כְּנַפְשְׁךָ–בַּסֵּתֶר לֵאמֹר: נֵלְכָה, וְנַעַבְדָה אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים, אֲשֶׁר לֹא יָדַעְתָּ, אַתָּה וַאֲבֹתֶיךָ. 7 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, that is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying: ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ WHICH YO HAVE NOT KNOW, YOU NOR YOUR FATHERS.
      יד יָצְאוּ אֲנָשִׁים בְּנֵי-בְלִיַּעַל, מִקִּרְבֶּךָ, וַיַּדִּיחוּ אֶת-יֹשְׁבֵי עִירָם, לֵאמֹר: נֵלְכָה, וְנַעַבְדָה אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים–אֲשֶׁר לֹא-יְדַעְתֶּם. 14 ‘Certain base fellows are gone out from the midst of thee, and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying: Let us go and serve other gods, WHICH YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN.

      • Alan says:

        I would also ask my friend why he is so sure that the cat is an incarnation of god – did the cat somehow prove its divinity to him? Or does he believe in the cat because he tried worshiping it and the results feel godly to him?

        • robster2016 says:

          i don’t know if judaism believes in ghosts or evil spirits , but imagine if someone said that god incarnated into an invisible ghost. now how is it possible for the christian to say, “oh that is the flesh nature….”?

          • Alan says:

            Robster – you would have to google “ghosts and evil spirits in Judaism”. I personally have no experience with them. If they exist, I don’t know about them and they are irrelevant to me and to anyone I know.

        • RT says:

          Alan, you cannot understand, because you are double blinded. First, you have to believe in Jesus. Christians are also blinded, because the spirit of Kitten had to reveal the kitten to them. You HAVE to believe in the pentunity (also refered as quinquity, quinity, penta-unity and complex unity of god at second level) of god.

          As Solomon himself foretold “Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time.”

          This Trinity (complex unity of god at first level) was something new, thus it needed to be redone to fulfill this passage “Look! This Complex unity of god is something new”? No, It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time.”

          • Alan says:

            RT,
            I guess I’m just not meant to be Catolic. I’d like to see the Catechism for this new religion.

          • RT says:

            You asked for it 😉

            God
            There is one god,1 who is infinitely perfect,2 existing eternally in five persons: father, THE THE THE Son, Holy Spirit, The Kitten and the Spirit of the Kitten.3

            2.The Kitten
            The Kitten is true god and true cat.4 He was conceived by the Holy Kitten and born on an back alley.5 He died hit by a car, the Just for the unjust and a bee hive was found in his body. Only through the Kitten, you may accept Jesus substitutionary sacrifice, and all who believe in Him and the kitten are justified on the ground of His shed blood. The Kitten did not arose from the dead, but that’s OK 6 He is now at the right paw of Jesus.7 Jesus will come again riding the Kitten.8

            3.holy Kitten
            Very elusive! Extremely Elusive, is the for of the spirit of the kiteen.4. The Spirit of the Kitten reveals the truth concerning the Kitten, and all Christians are doomed to hell without him.

            4. Afterlife
            For the Kitten so loved the world, that he’s going to make you burn if you don’t accept him.

          • Alan says:

            I think you’ve had a bit too much catnip today, RT. LOL

    • Yehuda I am not sure how I would respond – perhaps with a parable about a frog who is actually an incarnation of a kitten. What are you thinking about?

      1000 Verses – a project of Judaism Resources wrote: >

  4. Yehuda says:

    Rabbi B. et al.

    I wasn’t trying to do anything especially profound other than make a certain rhetorical point about one aspect (a big one) of the Jewish/Christian debate, specifically the issue of idolatry. Jews correctly point out that worshiping Jesus is idolatry. Christians respond “no, no you don;t understand. I’m worshiping the one and the same God you do. I’m just doing so in all its fullness”. Jews point to scriptures, notably those dealing with the Sinai experience itself that make clear that there was no more fullness than what they already experienced and which they were charged with passing to subsequent generations. To which Christians – as best as I can tell – respond with “who are you to say what God can or can;t do or what he might reveal later on”

    So I have long wondered how – strictly from the perspective of the charge of idolatry – a christian would refute a fellow christian who takes “Gods fullness” to a next level – a kitten perhaps. I’d like to know what scriptures they would point to saying this is idolatry, that could not be pointed squarely back at Jesus and for precisely the same reasons. I’m not saying they wouldn’t construct other arguments based on any number of other scriptural allusions to Jesus that kitty may not satisfy. But I wonder how they would support the blunt charge of “you are worshiping an unauthorized entity” without imploding?

    Rabbi B. a few years back you posted a series of essays from a fellow named Thomas. One of them, I forget which, dealt with this topic in a most cogent way explaining that the “sinaiatic” verses either preclude a duality and trinity or they allow virtually unlimited membership in the godhead. I though he was brilliant,

      • Alan says:

        I read the article. This is the article you were remembering.
        It is brilliant. I would have thought that Rabbi B wrote it if it didn’t say it was by Thomas.

      • Yehuda says:

        Indeed. That’s it.
        I specifically remembered this comment Thomas made in the comments to the post which I thought was great.

        “If we cannot say, scripturally, that straight-out bowing to a frog does not constitute idolatry, then I think we’ve missed the entire point. If we do not know if that’s idolatry or not, then we really have no idea how to avoid idolatry, do we?”

        After all, froggy, might be the “croak” of the Lord.

        • Alan says:

          ““If we cannot say, scripturally, that straight-out bowing to a frog does not constitute idolatry, then I think we’ve missed the entire point. If we do not know if that’s idolatry or not, then we really have no idea how to avoid idolatry, do we?””

          Brilliant.

          “After all, froggy, might be the “croak” of the Lord.”

          LOL Also, brilliant. Thank you for this!

        • Dina says:

          The croak of the Lord, that’s awesome, Yehuda!

    • RT says:

      Yehuda, that’s what I would answer if I was a Christian:

      “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.” Rev 22:18.

      Your kitten was an addition to the writings and we know it is not the truth because of this verse. By the way, that’s what the Christians do with Mormons. This is the same argument Jews have with Deuteronomy 4, and if they would be honest as well.

      If you watched Dr Browns Debates, you can see, also, how dishonest he is. He keeps on referring to the messiah, as he would be a normal human being (not god in the flesh). He totally ignores that he believes in a triune god, and that the messiah is a second god of the trinity. Why? Because he wants to appeal to the Jews. If he would be honest and say that he prays to Jesus and that he believe the servant is god himself in the flesh, but different in nature, then he would lose all his credibility. He is dishonest, hopping that a few Jews will pray and accept Jesus before knowing the facts!

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