Rebuttal to Dr. Brown’s Responses

Rebuttal to Dr. Brown’s Responses

The following presentation is a continuation of the discussion that I had with Dr. Brown on August 20th 2024. On that occasion, Dr. Brown responded to 8 questions that I had asked him and I took note of his responses. At this point I aim to present my rebuttal to those responses, but before I begin I will describe the larger context of our conversation.

Dr. Brown has authored a 5 volume series of books entitled “Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus.” I have written several critiques of his work in which I challenged many of the arguments that he presents in favor of Christianity. More importantly, I argued that Dr. Brown’s work fails to address the issue from the standpoint of a Jew who lives Judaism. His work is more of a response to the Jewish defense against the Christian critique of Judaism than it is a response to the Jewish objections to Christianity.

When I publicized the first two booklets of my critique (Contra Brown, 2007; The Elephant and the Suit, 2011) Dr. Brown declared that he would present a written response to these arguments. Dr. Brown’s intense schedule and many writing deadlines haven’t allowed this to materialize.

I sincerely believe that if Dr. Brown were to articulate the reasons he does not accept my arguments then that would force me to clarify and refine those arguments and bring us all closer to the truth. It is for this reason that I took the time to travel to Charlotte North Carolina to hear and record Dr. Brown’s responses in person.

A few weeks before our meeting I sent Dr. Brown a list of questions that I wanted to focus on in our discussion. These were a selection of questions from 3 of my written critiques (Contra Brown, The Elephant and the Suit and Supplement to Contra Brown). In our discussion we managed to get to 8 of those questions (several others were addressed as well in the context of the discussion around these 8 questions). 

Since our discussion, I have thought about Dr. Brown’s responses and I have formulated my own rebuttal to those responses and it is this rebuttal that I am presenting here. I truly believe that as this conversation moves forward, greater clarity is being achieved and I hope that my words play a role in contributing to that clarity.

Question # 1 – The Totality of Scripture

Judaism and Christianity are each complete world-views. The adherents of each of these opposing philosophies point to the same Jewish Bible (known by Christians as the “Old Testament”) as supportive to their respective set of beliefs. It is obvious that at least one of these groups must be misusing the text. 

The question I posed to Dr. Brown was that when we step back and look at the general pattern of Christian quotations from the Jewish Bible and contrast them with the Jewish quotations it becomes obvious that it is the Christian that is not submitting to the authority of the text but rather is imposing his own world-view onto the text. 

You see, both Christians and Jews present a selection of verses from the Jewish Bible to substantiate their respective views. The Jew points to Deuteronomy 4 as the guide on the question of to whom we are to direct our worship. Dr. Brown highlights Genesis 18 and places this particular text at the center of the same discussion. 

The Author of Scripture introduces Deuteronomy 4 as the definitive teaching on who we are to worship while Genesis 18 is not introduced by the Author of Scripture as a teaching on worship altogether. The Jew is following the lead of the Author of Scripture while the Christian is ignoring that lead.

Deuteronomy 4 gives us the complete Jewish doctrine on the subject in question. For the Jew, there are no blanks. The Author of Scripture spelled it all out. In sharp contrast, even the most radical Christian interpretation of Genesis 18 does not present the full Christian doctrine on the question of whom to worship. This holds true even when we combine all of the Christian quotations from the Jewish Scripture. The Christian still needs his theologians to fill in the blanks.

And no student of Scripture ever questioned that Deuteronomy 4 is a teaching on whom we are to worship, while even Christian scholars question the missionary argument that is built on Genesis 18. The Jew looks to the Author of Scripture to clarify the matter, while the Christian needs to trust Dr. Brown.

In short, the Jew looks to the Author of Scripture to tell him where to look in Scripture, to fill in the blanks and to provide clarity. But the Christian ignores the Author Scripture and looks to the Christian theologians to tell him which verse is a teaching on which subject, to fill in the blanks and to create clarity. It is beyond clear that the Jew is building his world-view on the basis of Scripture while the Christian is imposing his world-view onto the pages of the same Scripture. 

What was Dr. Brown’s response to this question? 

He acknowledged that the Jewish selection of verses meet this set of criteria (direct, comprehensive and clear) while the Christian selection of verses do not. Dr. Brown argued that what he understands as the character of God, specifically as it relates to the blessing that God intends for the gentiles, directs him to favor the Christian world-view over the Jewish one.

Dr. Brown’s response illuminates Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch’s pithy analysis of the difference between Judaism and Christianity. Christianity, says Rabbi Hirsch, is man’s opinion about God, while Judaism is God’s opinion about man. Here we have Dr. Brown building his world-view and building his read on the Bible on the basis of what he believes God ought to be doing and how He should go about doing it. 

Where in the Bible are we taught that man is capable of understanding God’s character, much less build a world-view on the basis of that understanding? According to the Jewish Bible, God has the authority to tell us what to do, what to feel and what to think and it is our duty to follow. By presenting this response, Dr. Brown has unwittingly confirmed the very point he was trying to respond to.

The original question stands. When we look to the Author of the Bible for guidance we will find Him pointing to the passages that confirm the Jewish world-view, we will find Him filling in all the blanks and we will find that He gives us clarity. We will certainly not find Him encouraging us to ignore His clear guidance on the basis of our own opinion of what He should or should not be doing.

Question # 2 – Faith Structure

The Author of Scripture did not present His book to His people in a vacuum. There is a context to Scripture. The context of Scripture is the covenant that God shares with His people. God first planted certain truths into the heart of the nation and only afterwards did He present them with His book. When the intended audience reads that first verse; “In the beginning God….,” they should not only be familiar with that God. They should see themselves as standing in a deep and intimate relationship with that God. The reader should have learned about the covenant through the testimonial observances and through the testimony of God’s witnesses. It is into this context that God placed Scripture and this is the only true context for reading and understanding Scripture. 

The message of the Church is not only at odds with the word of the Bible. The message of Christianity is the deepest violation of the covenant which is the only true context for the Bible. 

In our conversation Dr. Brown did not accept the premise of my question. He dismissed the idea of Israel bearing a unique testimony until I pointed out to him that the Bible points us to that testimony (Deuteronomy 4). When I quoted this passage in Deuteronomy, Dr. Brown responded with the claim that the first Jewish disciples of Jesus believed that the message of Christianity is in harmony with the covenantal testimony of Israel. His argument then is that we have an internal dispute within the witness community (the general Jewish community vs. the Jewish Disciples of Jesus) and he favors the version of the testimony presented by the original followers of Jesus.

What Dr. Brown has failed to realize is that from the Bible’s perspective, the greatest judgment for a Jew is being cut off from the Jewish people. God tells us through Ezekiel (13:9) how God deals with those who mislead His people. He assures us that these deceivers will be removed from the midst of His holy nation. And this is precisely what happened to the Jewish disciples of Jesus.

Even if we were to allow for the irrational assumption that the Jewish disciples of Jesus accepted all of the tenets of Protestant Christian theology, God’s judgment against them tells us not to follow their lead. 

Question # 3 – Who Replaced the Sacrifices?

In his 5 Volume work, Dr. Brown follows the lead of secular historians and accepts the theory that while the Temple stood, all Jews believed that there can be no atonement for sin without a blood sacrifice. It was only with the loss of the Temple, claims Dr. Brown, that the Rabbis came up with various replacements for the sacrifices. 

My challenge to him was that this depiction is simply false. The Rabbis recognized that the foundation of atonement is and was always repentance. 

Dr. Brown responded by pointing to the Torah’s (Five Books of Moses) repetition of the blood offerings in the Temple. This emphasis on the blood offerings brings Dr. Brown to the conclusion that there can be no atonement without blood. If Jews today believe that there is atonement without the blood offerings of the Temple, then they have moved away from the teaching of the Bible whether the Rabbinic writings acknowledge this change or not.

In response I would ask the reader to step back for a moment. 

Neither the Jew nor the Christian is actually offering the sacrifices described in the Five Books of Moses. The argument between the Jew and the Christian is about the guidance that the Bible provides in the absence of the Temple. The Christian believes that Jesus somehow fulfills the Biblical concept of the Temple sacrifices while the Jew argues that the Bible points in a different direction altogether.

For the Jew, every commandment of God, including the Temple sacrifices, is eternal and irreplaceable. We see the Bible clearly pointing to certain activities that are available to us in exile as parallels to the sacrifices (a broken heart, Psalm 51:19; kindness and knowledge of God, Hosea 6:7; and prayer, Psalm 141:2). But we never believed that the sacrifices were somehow replaced.

The Jew believes that the sacrifices will return in the Messianic era as the prophets predicted they would (Isaiah 56:7). We accept that every detail of God’s instructions concerning the Temple service is a gift from God to illuminate our lives and fill it with His truth. If we cannot practically fulfill the commandment today, we can yearn for the opportunity to fulfill God’s will and study God’s directives so that we keep the truth of His word alive in our minds and in our hearts.  

So how can we know which path is true? How does God guide us in dealing with the absence of His Temple? Does He point to the path proposed by the Church or is He telling us to follow the path that the Jewish community is following?

Dr. Brown himself has unintentionally answered this question clearly and unequivocally.

The prophets spoke of a future Temple in the Messianic age (Ezekiel 37:28). What will the Temple accomplish according to the Christian theologian? If Jesus replaced the Temple sacrifices for once and for all, wouldn’t a Temple be superfluous and unnecessary?

One of the answers that Dr. Brown presents in response to this question (Objection 3.17, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus) is the argument that the sacrifices of the future Temple will not accomplish atonement. In Dr. Brown’s world-view, there is a possibility of Jesus accomplishing atonement at the same time that God’s Temple is up and running.

In other words, Dr. Brown can envision a Biblical Temple that functions side by side with Jesus. Dr. Brown is telling us that the Temple serves God’s purpose outside of whatever he believes that Jesus accomplishes.

So let us consider this aspect of the Temple’s purpose, the aspect that Jesus does not accomplish even according to Dr. Brown. How does the Christian world-view guide us in the absence of this part of the Temple service? What does the Church teach us about the expression of the Temple that does not find fulfillment in Jesus? 

It is clear that the Jewish path of dealing with the absence of the Temple is the one that is loyal to the complete word of God, while the path advocated by Dr. Brown does not in fact tell us what to do in the absence of God’s Temple.

Question # 4 – Deuteronomy 30

Deuteronomy 30 (verses 1 thru 10) describes the Messianic age. This Biblical text makes it clear that the path to the Messianic age leads through observance of the Law of Moses. My question to Dr. Brown was how can he reconcile this text with his world-view? In his world-view the Messianic age is ushered in with the Jewish acceptance of Jesus and not with obedience to the Law of Moses.  

Dr. Brown responded to this challenge with the claim that true obedience to the Law of Moses should lead to acceptance of Jesus.

My question to Dr. Brown can be encapsulated in one word: really? Does observance of the Law of Moses really lead to belief in Jesus?

In the 30 years that I have been active in counter-missionary work I have met a handful (less than 10) of Orthodox Jewish people who accepted Jesus (about half of them have since recognized their mistake and returned to Judaism). Some of these people were sincere people who made a tragic mistake. But none of them were motivated to make this mistake because they decided to take the teachings of Moses more seriously. Some of these people actually left observance of the Law before they accepted Jesus.  

On the other hand, of the scores of people that I have met who have left Christianity in favor of Judaism, the vast majority of them have taken this step because they decided to take the teachings of Moses more seriously. They have realized that Christianity’s denigration of the Law (see below, Questions 7 and 8) is not in line with God’s word as recorded by Moses.

Devotion to the Law of Moses will not lead you towards Jesus, it leads you away from him.  

Question # 5 – Deuteronomy 4:35

When God created the nation of Israel He planted a critical truth into the core of their beings. The Jewish people recognize that their responsibility towards God demands that they carry this truth though the corridors of history. Indeed, the dedication of the Jewish people to God’s truth brought them into conflict with every force of evil, but the spiritual core of the nation remained loyal to this truth. Ultimately, Israel’s steadfast commitment to God’s truth will be rewarded, and all the ends of the earth will acknowledge God’s truth and Israel’s mission as God’s witness will be vindicated to the eyes of all nations. 

What is this truth? And how was it implanted into the heart of Israel? I will allow the Bible to explain. 

“When you are in distress and all these things have befallen you in the end of days, you will return unto the Lord your God and hearken to His voice. For the Lord your God is a merciful God, He will not abandon you nor will He destroy you nor will He forget the covenant of your forefathers that He swore to them. For inquire now regarding the early days that preceded you, from the day when God created man on earth, and from one end of the heaven to the other end of the heaven; Has there ever been anything like this great thing or has anything like it been heard? Has a people ever heard the voice of God speaking from the midst of the fire as you have heard, and survived? Or has any god ever miraculously come to take for himself a nation from the midst of a nation, with challenges, with signs, and with wonders, and with war, and with a strong hand and an outstretched arm, and with greatly awesome deeds, such as everything that the Lord your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes? You have been shown in order that you know that the Lord, He is the God there is none beside Him.” (Deuteronomy 4:30-35)

The miracles of the exodus and the Sinai revelation served as a unique educational experience designed by God. This experience taught the Jewish people that there is but One Master of all existence. This was not a mere recital of words, or the handing over of a written text. This was an intense experience that brought the truth of God’s absolute reality to Israel’s heart in a way that words alone could never accomplish. This was not simply a matter of acquiring information. Many national entities are aware of the truth of God’s reality as a fact of knowledge. What was accomplished through Israel’s unique educational experience was that the truth of God’s reality was seared into the hearts of Israel with the deepest intensity. The intense appreciation for the truth of God’s reality is Israel’s exclusive possession.  

God points to the awareness that Israel acquired through these unparalleled events as a gift that He granted to Israel, to the exclusion of every other national entity. The last generation of Jews is encouraged to look at the fact that this knowledge was granted to them, and to them alone, as the sign that God’s promises to them still stand.

Throughout history the Jew drew strength, courage and conviction from the fact that of all the nations of the earth, Israel alone was chosen by God to be the bearer of the ultimate truth. When the Churchmen would encourage the Jew to direct his or her devotion to Jesus, the Jew would say “no” on the basis of the knowledge that God had planted in the heart of Israel. When the Christian theologians would employ the paradoxical teachings of the trinity and the incarnation to encourage devotion to Jesus, the Jewish response was clear and unequivocal. The Jew would tell the Christian: “God Himself taught us everything we need to know about devotion. The teaching He granted us was comprehensive and complete. He alone is the Creator of all, and everything else are but His creations. Our hearts belong to the One who we encountered at Sinai and to no one else”.

This Biblical passage stands at the heart of Israel’s 2000 year conflict with the Church. But Dr. Brown could not find the space for it in his work. Why not?

Dr. Brown responded to this question by saying that he was not made aware of this argument when he wrote his book.

My response to this is that this does not answer the question. It may well be that Dr. Brown did not maliciously omit this argument from his work, but the fact that this argument is not addressed in his work renders his series deficient. The fact that his 1500 pages do not address this argument (neither do they address questions 1, 2, and 4) tells us that his 5 volume series does not in fact address some of the major Jewish objections to Jesus.

Question # 5b – Two Loves

In the course of our discussion about Deuteronomy 4:35 we spoke about the Jewish contention that devotion to Jesus is idolatry. I pointed out that all of the Christian talk that Jesus is somehow “one and the same” with the God of Israel breaks down when we look at idolatry from the perspective of the Bible. 

The Bible considers idolatry to be a sin of the heart. Throughout the Bible, idolatry is compared to adultery. Just as the adulterous partner violates their relationship by giving their heart to someone other than the one to whom their heart is pledged, so it is with the idolater. The idolater gives his or her heart to an entity other than the God of Israel.

In the realm of the heart, love for God and love for Jesus are two different loves. These loves may be joined together in the Christian’s heart and mind, and they may be fused together by the confusing words of Christian theologians, but they remain two different loves and they are rooted in two different attractions. From the perspective of the Jewish Scriptures, devotion to Jesus is idolatry.

In response Dr. Brown argued that love for Jesus inspires love for God and that love for God inspires love for Jesus.

My answer to this contention is that this even if this were to be true (which it is not) but this still does not take away from the fact that these are two separate loves. 

This simple mathematical fact should be obvious to everyone. One could worship God and not worship Jesus and one could love Jesus and not love God. The fact that many people choose to do both at the same time does not make these two loves one and the same.

However, I understand that Christians who have always fused their devotion to Jesus together with their devotion to God find it difficult to understand that there are actually two different devotions in their heart.

Allow me to illustrate the concept by using Dr. Brown’s own words. According to Dr. Brown the Jewish disciples of Jesus did not realize that Jesus was “one and the same” with God until after the alleged resurrection. So let us turn the clock back in time. What were the disciples thinking when they first met Jesus and did not “know” that he was God?

I assume that they worshiped God and that they loved and admired Jesus. They did not elevate their love for Jesus to the level of worship of the divine because they did not yet “realize” that he was divine. At that point in time there were two different loves in the hearts of the disciples, one for God and for a man that they believed was a righteous teacher. At that point in time there was no difference between the followers of Jesus and the followers of any other charismatic Jewish rabbi. The followers of Jesus and the disciples of our anonymous rabbi would have two loves in their heart, one for their God and one for their teacher. These loves may serve to inspire each other but they remain two distinct loves. 

When the disciples then came to the “realization” that Jesus was “one and the same” as God, they did not lose the love they had for their human teacher. They simply fused the love for their teacher that already existed in their hearts together with the love for God. This artificial fusing together of the loves does not make them one love.

To add one more iota of clarity to this discussion let me illuminate this from yet another angle. Imagine a Trinitarian Christian who believes that Jesus is “one and the same” with the God of Israel. This person loves both God and Jesus and sees these two loves as one and inseparable. Now imagine that this person comes to the realization that Jesus is not in fact divine, but this person still believes that Jesus was a righteous teacher. Will this person need to develop a brand new love for Jesus as a human teacher? Will this person need to find a new attraction to bring him to love the human Jesus? It is obvious that this person will simply take the love that already exists in his heart towards Jesus and bring it down to the level of love for a man. This will not be a different love than the one they had when he believed Jesus was divine. It will be the same love on a different level. 

The heart’s attraction to Jesus is not the same as the heart’s attraction to God. One is possible without the other. By the definition of the Bible, elevating one’s love for Jesus to worship of the divine is idolatry.

Question # 6 – Bias

Towards the beginning of Dr. Brown’s 5 volume series he makes the claim that study in a Yeshiva (a school in which Judaism is taught) will prevent a person from making an accurate judgment about the Christian claims for Jesus.

I challenged Dr. Brown by pointing out that the debate between the Christianity and Judaism centers on the covenant that the Jewish people share with God. The Church sees devotion to Jesus as fulfillment of that covenant and the Jewish people see that same devotion as the deepest violation of the covenant.    

In order to make a judgment on this question one must first be aware that this is the core of the Jewish rejection of Jesus. After coming to this awareness, the person must understand the covenant that stands between God and His people.

If one is denied a Yeshiva education (i.e. an education in Judaism), then that person will not be aware that the Jewish rejection of the claims of the Church is rooted in Israel’s understanding of her covenant with God. (This is true even if the person in question studied the entirety of Dr. Brown’s 5 volume work.) This person will certainly not have a deep understanding of that covenant.

Furthermore, one who is not intimately familiar with Judaism will not understand the context of Jesus’ message. Jesus operated in the context of Judaism. In the times of Jesus, Jewish society was shaped by the teachings of Judaism. This was a society that took the Law of Moses seriously.  If you don’t understand Judaism, you don’t understand the context of Jesus’ message (this obvious truth is acknowledged by secular scholars as well as by many Christian scholars). 

This is all compounded with someone who aside from not having a Jewish education, has also been given a Christian education. The Christian teachers, starting from the authors of the gospels until today, provide their audience with a distorted view of Jews and Judaism. Remember, Judaism is the only context from within which to examine the claims of the Church.

So Dr. Brown’s complaint that a Yeshiva education will prevent a person from truly understanding the claims of Christianity rings quite hollow.

Dr. Brown’s response that there are some negative stories about Jesus circulating amongst Jews does little to mitigate the facts. Someone who doesn’t understand Judaism is in no position to make an accurate judgment on the debate between Judaism and Christianity.

With all of this in mind we can appreciate that when Christians abandon Christianity in favor of Judaism, the cards are stacked against them. They have been taught a warped view of Judaism and they generally do not understand the covenant that the Jewish people share with God. Yet the Christian message runs contrary to the Bible on so many different levels, that even with these obstacles in their way, people recognize that Christianity is not in line with God’s word. And many sincere Christians were empowered by the truth of God’s word to take shelter in God, and in God alone.

Question # 7 – Does the Jewish Focus on Obedience Lead to Self-Righteousness?

Towards the end of Dr. Brown’s five volume series, he criticizes Judaism for placing a greater emphasis on Torah obedience than on atonement and forgiveness. This Jewish emphasis on obedience, suggests Dr. Brown, has produced a self-righteous attitude.

I challenge Dr. Brown to present one verse in all of the Jewish Scriptures that discourages placing an emphasis on obedience. Show me one verse in all of the Jewish Bible that tells us to focus on atonement over obedience.

Question # 8 – Does Torah Obedience Have the Power to Transform

In one of the last sections of his series Dr. Brown presents the argument that observance of God’s Law does not have the power to transform lives. According to Dr. Brown, the Torah cannot fundamentally change us on the inside.

When I told him that I had seen many lives transformed through Torah observance, he modified his stance with the claim that the transformation accomplished through Torah observance is not as dramatic as the one achieved through acceptance of Jesus.

I propose that we step back and see what the Bible has to say. The Bible explicitly says that God’s law provides sanctification (Numbers 15:40) as well as wisdom and Godly illumination (Psalm 19:8,9). There is not one verse in the entirety of the Jewish Bible that says that faith in an individual accomplishes anything of the sort. Dr. Brown’s position is in direct conflict with the word of God.

History also testifies against Dr. Brown. Throughout our conversation, Dr. Brown kept referring to the judgment experienced by the Jewish people. The fact that we have been in exile and without a Temple for 2000 years tells Dr. Brown that we are carrying a false message. 

But being in exile and without a Temple is far from the judgment that the followers of Jesus experienced in this same time period. That community was judged with the horrible guilt of hatred, persecution and murder. The community that looked to Jesus for salvation was cursed with a hatred of Jews and with the guilt of the murder of millions. If faith in Jesus can transform lives why didn’t it lift the Christian community above this wickedness?

What protected the community of those who followed God through obedience to His Law and kept them from these crimes? Was it perhaps the sanctification provided by the Law as God promised? 

To illustrate this concept I will ask you to imagine two Jews living in the time of Jesus. As these two men stand there, 2000 years ago, they are granted a vision of the future. And they see the horrors of the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust and all of the Christian persecution of Jews. One of these Jews decides that he does not want his descendants to suffer those horrors while the other decides that it is more important for him that his descendants not participate in the implementation of these horrors.

For the first Jew to achieve his desire, he should join the following of Jesus and for the second Jew to achieve his desire he should remain loyal to God and to His Law.

The choice is clear.

The ability for the Torah to transform lives is not limited to those individuals who observe it. The prophet tells us that our loyalty to God’s word has the ability to transform the world at large. God reassures His people: “And I have set My words in your mouth and sheltered you in the shade of My hand to plant the heavens and establish the earth and to declare to Zion; “you are My nation” (Isaiah 51:16).

The truth that there is but One God has the power to transform the world. God planted that truth in Israel’s heart (Deuteronomy 4:35; Isaiah 51:7) and God’s word will certainly accomplish His purpose (Isaiah 55:11). And despite the ridicule of those who cannot accept the Biblical truth that God chose Israel as His witness, His purpose of blessing all of humanity is accomplished by the community that bears witness to His truth (Isaiah 53:10)

Transforming Nations and Men

In the course of the discussion that I had with Dr. Brown on August 20, we touched upon several points that deserve to be elaborated upon and expanded. I hope to address these in the near future, at this point I will comment on two statements that Dr. Brown made about the beliefs of Judaism.

Dr. Brown stated that Judaism believes that God has done nothing active in a redemptive way to benefit the Gentiles for the last 2000 years.

This depiction of Judaism is false, but it is in place to point out that according to Dr. Brown’s world-view, God has done nothing active in a redemptive way for the Gentiles for all those years until Jesus arrived on the scene so what exactly is his point?

The position of Judaism is that God shares His goodness with humanity through His truth. As mankind absorbs God’s truth they move closer to God. The ultimate blessing is described as; “the knowledge of God will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea (Isaiah 11:9). That will be achieved when God redeems Israel as the Bible states clearly over and over again (Isaiah 17:12 – 18:7, 25:1 – 8, 30:26, 34:1 – 35:10, 40:1 – 11, 41:17 – 20, 49:8 – 13, 52:7 – 10, Zephaniah 3:8 – 20, Psalm 9:8 – 13, 40, 66, 69, 98, 102, 117 ).

Until the fullness of that blessing comes to fruition God still shares His kindness with the world. God has planted the truth that there is but One God into the heart of Israel, His witness nation (Deuteronomy 4:35). And God brings this truth to the nations through His people. This truth, that all of creation is equally subject to One God who stands above and beyond all of finite existence, is the foundation of civilization. And this truth is still bringing redemption to the nations.

Consider the following statement by John Adams, the Second President of the United States: “I will insist the Hebrews have [contributed] more to civilize men than any other nation. If I was an atheist and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations

They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this Earth. The Romans and their empire were but a bubble in comparison to the Jews. They have given religion to three-quarters of the globe and have influenced the affairs of mankind more and more happily than any other nation, ancient or modern.”

In case you are wondering what he is talking about I will ask you to consider the following. Many historians recognize that it was the influence of Jewish Bible commentators upon Catholic thinkers that triggered the Protestant Reformation. If this historical theory is true, (it is certainly very logical), then without the Jews there would have been no Protestant Reformation.

Can you now see why I say that God has been acting through His witness nation to bring blessing to the entire world?

Furthermore, although Christianity served as the vehicle to bring some diluted version of God’s truth to the world (as did Islam and secular philosophy), but it also brought tremendous curse to mankind. If Christianity would not have been invented, the European people would not have had hatred of God’s people poured into their hearts for centuries upon centuries. For most of the 2000 years that Dr. Brown sees Jesus as a blessing to the Gentiles, the dehumanization of the Jew was taught in the name of Jesus. This brought Gentile Europe to the guilt of causing suffering and death to countless millions.

Where is the redemptive action that Dr. Brown is talking about?

Dr. Brown made another statement that I would like to address. Dr. Brown said that Rabbinic Judaism looks at people whose lives were transformed by Jesus as being influenced by demonic forces or by human emotion. Dr. Brown believes that the transformed lives of Christians who come to Jesus testify to something more Godly than that.

Here again, Dr. Brown makes a statement on behalf of Judaism which is less than accurate. It is in place to note that Dr. Brown himself would recognize that many of those whose lives were transformed (by acceptance of Jesus or of any other teaching) were influenced by human emotion. Many of these transformed lives did not lead to authentic Christianity as Dr. Brown defines it. How would Dr. Brown explain those whose lives were transformed by Jesus back in the day when Jesus was synonymous with hatred of Israel?

The Bible teaches that man is created in the image of God and there are deep latent powers within the human psyche that could be triggered to create dramatic changes in the lives of people. 

Judaism however believes that there is more to it. As it is with nations, so it is with individuals. The only redemptive force in the human experience is God’s truth. When a person is suddenly exposed to even a diluted version of God’s truth, that diminished truth has the power to transform lives.

But the search for truth should not stop with the dramatic transformation of lives, whether that transformation comes through Judaism, Islam or one of the many forms of Christianity. If one’s life is transformed to be more Godly, then that life should be continuously yearning for more of God’s truth. And no one can say that they possess all of God’s truth.

Keep on searching, keep on separating God’s truth from the lies that the men have tied together with that truth. As you do so, you move ever closer to redemption.

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12 Responses to Rebuttal to Dr. Brown’s Responses

  1. Arin's avatar Arin says:

    Thank you so much Rabbi! May Hashem restore our judges as in earliest times and our counselors as at first, remove from us sorrow and groan; and reign over us, Hashem alone

  2. Yaakov's avatar Yaakov says:

    Thank you Rabbi Blumenthal,

    I have learned a lot from your teachings

  3. Annelise's avatar Annelise says:

    A few other thoughts on some of these ideas-

    Point 1 – It’s also relevant that Deuteronomy 4 isn’t talking to Abraham. Regardless of what happened with him, the ongoing message to heed in the Sinai covenant is not to make an idol of a man or woman, or any creature in the earth, sea or sky. Although many Christians don’t make statues of Jesus, it would still be profoundly strange for this to be the wording chosen for the listeners and their descendants to bind their lives to, if the climax of the covenant were ultimately going to involve accepting a man as an incarnation of God to be worshiped. The Torah is phrased in a way that specifically makes those who observe it suspicious of the Christian claims.

    It would take more than ‘secondary messages’ in proof texts to surmount this, especially when there are other legitimate readings for those so-called proof texts as well. Yet even the early Church had to debate regarding whether the Word/Wisdom of God was personally God or was the manifest (created) reflection of God’s Glory.

    Likewise with the instruction to perform the commandments and not add to or subtract from them. There was no comment that the form of obedience would be subject to change. Why does the Torah clearly warn against succumbing to messages of change in observance, if a new form of observance was the later intention? In a passage about obeying the commandments, Deuteronomy 30 phrases it in a way that sounds like literal observance will continue, “Moreover, the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, so that you will love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul… Then you shall again obey the LORD, observing all his commandments that I am commanding you today.” 

    It’s not a question of what is possible, according to Torah. It’s about what is commanded, and the way the reasons and future expectations for those commands are described. There’s friction between this and most versions of Christianity, which shouldn’t have to be resolved by debating all over the scriptures, because of how up front the Deuteronomy passages are about the clear and simple instruction to obey the commandments as stated.

    It could be said that an understanding of God’s character from throughout scripture forms a picture that informs interpretation of particular passages or topics. Yet that doesn’t detract from taking seriously the things that are clearly spelt out as too centrally important to allow a leap of faith, when that risks contradicting what is pointed out as central.

    Point 2 – Since Christians believe that Jesus ‘fulfils the commandments’, many also believe that following him is the renewed form of Torah observance. Christianity therefore claims that the Jews who didn’t believe in Jesus are the ones cut off (in a way) from the covenant community that they say performs ‘fulfilled observance of Torah through Jesus’. The exile of the Jews without a Temple is also pointed to as a judgment for not accepting him.

    For this reason, I’m not sure that point 2, on its own, is the most definitive evidence against Christianity. Yet the historical separation of Jewish Christians from those observing Torah literally, and from each other, does appear to weigh against Christianity being the witness community. Especially when combined with point 1, the fact that literal Torah observance is the clear and up-front message. 

    Point 3 – The Torah itself says that in times of exile from the Temple, people should repent as the means of reconnecting with God. It doesn’t go into detail about how atonement is achieved in that situation. The idea that an ultimate sacrifice is needed for this process is just speculation.

    Point 5b – Someone could say that the love for God and the love for Jesus as a human were really the same love, not cognitively but in terms of a relational response. Then it could be said that when people came to believe that Jesus was God incarnate, they realised that what they thought were two loves actually were one.

    Many Christians who believe in the trinity concept also don’t try to mathematically separate the ‘three persons’ in their mind, but believe that it’s a revealed mystery, which can neither be fully known nor contrasted with divine unity. Believing that if God wants to reveal himself in both visible and invisible ways, who are we to question that interaction with our imagination, or say that it isn’t one God behind multifaceted experience?

    Again I think this is a case not of what is divinely possible, but of the carefulness we need to hold when saying love A is part of love B. Human imagination is very strong. People saw in their minds that the earth is the centre of the cosmos, then changed their image to see that it’s not. We need our imagination (/acceptance of revelation claims) to be guided by cognitive sifting of evidence.

    Attachment emotions towards God, and attachment emotions towards a human, are also very emotionally deep. That’s a more intuitive experience. From a place of pain, we can wish intensely for someone to turn towards us unconditionally and give us security and stability. In healthier ways, we can also feel love and social connection, becoming attached to the minutiae about a person and our experience with them. Towards parents, friends, romantic interests, and leaders. For these emotions to have clear logical boundaries, they need to be linked to more rational parts of the brain and compared to other experiences. The way we associate things very closely with other things, to the point of feeling their unity, is central to our capacity for metaphor, poetry, language, memory, intuition, allegiances. Sometimes we need to question why the association has been made.

    These feelings are also different from clinging to God as the maker of the world and of our hearts, but can feel similar. We can store those feelings  in close parts of our minds, making them easy to blur and overlap.

    Point 8 – The violent and pervasive antisemitism in Church history may not be definitive proof that the whole Christian community is wrong about the covenant. (I think it is at least enough to disprove Papal authority, though.) At the same time, I agree that this reflects worse on the Christian witness than the ongoing exile does on the non-Christian Jewish witness.

    It’s also hard to imagine God expecting medieval Jews to accept as their messiah a man who was routinely worshiped in statue form and in whose name they were so senselessly attacked. For over a thousand years, and with no visible, united, generation-to-generation Jewish Christian community as an alternative witness.

    I don’t think we can make clear blanket statements based on either ‘judgments’ or ‘fruits’. So many people in both communities sincerely seek to love God and love others, and at the same time also there is selfishness (both small and immense) in both communities. Aspects of darkness and light still reach to all corners of this world, and we can’t always state with clarity what suffering or blessing imply about God’s reasons. Looking at both Jewish and Christian history, there are reasons to assume either judgment or favour on a community level, but I guess these need to be put in context by other clearer ideas.

    • Annelise's avatar Annelise says:

      In saying “These feelings are also different from clinging to God as the maker of the world and of our hearts, but can feel similar,” that doesn’t discount the way people can also cling to him out of simple love. Also in terms of a need for attachment security.

      I meant that turning to God also goes beyond that, but the emotions can be similar, and intuition can blend them.

      Essentially, we can’t trust intuition to guide us on this question of whether love for Jesus is love for God, because it’s possible for our imagination to conflate the two connected emotions. Especially when attachment to God has been mostly experienced in terms of attachment to Jesus, there will be strong links made between the two just from experiencing them together.

      • Anneliss's avatar Anneliss says:

        To summarise, I think the strongest point in this post is that the commandments referred to in objection to Jesus clearly refer to the question of worship.

        Essentially, the Torah would have to actually be written differently, in order not to raise serious suspicion about the nature of mainstream Christianity’s claims. The Christian proofs don’t meet such a high bar of clarity in terms of what they are intended to communicate to us, particularly in the areas of accepting a man as God to be worshiped, and having a new form of observing the commandments.

        Other things seem to be supporting evidence, maybe not necessarily definitive, but forming a picture. For example,

        -The fact that Christian Jews in the Middle Ages didn’t have a visible community witness.

        -The way Jews who join Christianity generally don’t do so as a direct result of their devotion to Torah observance. I don’t think either group believes Deuteronomy 30 has been fulfilled as yet, but it’s still telling that the condition for the redemption includes, “if you obey the Lord your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.”

        -That ‘sola scriptura’ is a Protestant assumption, disregarding the fact that these scriptures can only be considered God’s word based on some authority saying that they are, and in the context of that authority. The Judaism into which Jesus was born was more than just the authority of the scrolls. It was the testimony and lived experience of the Exodus and Sinai, through the teaching and practice of the Torah, in order to keep close to the heart the belief that no other god comes close to the One God. And the Torah spells this out with no indication of an overhaul to how this worship is directed; actually, giving the distinct impression that nothing in the earth, sea or sky would be included.

        Torah states this awareness as its primary aim, and it is relevant to the questioning of the claim that Jesus is God. So why do Christians assume that the Jewish rejection of Jesus as God has nothing to do with this?

        -The way intuition about emotional themes is unreliable on its own, particularly when it comes to relational attachment. This doesn’t disprove the feeling that love for Jesus is one with love for God, but it should be questioned in a way led by cognitive clarity.

        -Although there is bias in Orthodox Judaism against Jesus, it remains that the claims of Christianity can’t be properly examined from outside a foundation of Torah observance and the covenant as it preceded Jesus.

        -Torah emphasises obedience to the commandments as a way to draw closer to God, not as legalism. Although it can be questioned how near or far to a law the fence should be drawn (to simplify observance collectively for a community), the Torah does give ‘the seat of Moses’ authority to do this, and their reason is loyalty and respect for the value of the commandments as a national connection to God. Legalism isn’t the only possible result of this.

        -For most of Christian history, acceptance of Jesus has gone hand in hand with antisemitism. Some of the reasons for this can be traced back to the Christian scriptures and their portrayals of non-Christian Jews as spiritually blind, lacking sincerity, and responsible for Jesus’ death.

        -Although Orthodox Judaism hasn’t brought about the hoped-for messianic age, the dispersed Jewish community has brought about what can be seen as blessings among the nations. So has Christianity, and people from both groups have also at times caused harm, but the point is that there may be other reasons for the prolonged exile.

        In the context of history, Christendom as a broad group can’t lecture the observant Jewish community about collective guilt, particularly when the spiritual sincerity and social contribution of many Torah observant individuals is undeniable. And as Job’s friends learnt, you can’t always explain suffering as purely a result of judgment; there can be other factors.

  4. charlessoper's avatar charlessoper says:

    I’m glad you’re taking this seriously and hope to study your rebuttal, time allowing, and yet pray the Father will draw you to Himself, by His Son, the Messiah, through the Holy Spirit.

    • Concerned Reader's avatar Concerned Reader says:

      Charles. LISTEN TO AND READ WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

      When you say “yet pray the Father will draw you to Himself, by His Son, the Messiah, through the Holy Spirit.”

      It shows you are not even attempting to listen to or learn from the discussion.

      • Annelise's avatar Annelise says:

        I think this too.

        One of the reasons Christians pray for each other is to show they care. But when prayer is included in the debate around Judaism and Christianity, it feels like you’re implying that the reasons are superfluous and some kind of blindness needs to be spiritually lifted.

        It feels condescending against Jews as if saying they somehow can’t understand via rational discussion. It feels disrespectful to suggest that they circumvent all the reasons for caution, when they and their ancestors have lived and died for that caution (yes, that is an emotional point, but it goes beyond bias).

        And since many Christians pray to Jesus, a mention of a Christian praying puts up idolatry warnings, especially if Jesus is mentioned in the prayer. They’re not going to warm to that prayer in a way that bypasses the guards against false worship.

        It all takes their energy and makes people wonder if the time they’re taking to explain their point of view is doing any good, if their objections aren’t even being heard. And this is a longstanding experience for the community, the “if only you knew” that is difficult to know how to respond to.

        Of course people can pray privately as they believe is right, but when communicating to someone it’s more helpful just to focus on the reasons for belief, without stating that they need to have a change of heart that transcends the reasons.

        I guess that everyone could phrase the sentiment, rather than “I’m praying you’ll understand,” more something like “I hope we can keep walking together to understand what each other means and get closer to truth, with God’s guidance.”

        • Annelise's avatar Annelise says:

          Not to say you meant all those things, just how it can sound on the receiving side.

          • Annelise's avatar Annelise says:

            Also it’s not you; it’s the culture and language that is so common in Christianity and becomes normal for people. I used to say things like that as well, with only good intentions.

            Even if Christianity were true, it would continue to be important for Christian language to acknowledge the light and rationality in other people’s lives. People don’t always make their decisions for the reasons that are assumed.

    • glarryb's avatar glarryb says:

      charlessoper

      Its good to know you pray to the father not an Idol.

  5. Yehuda's avatar Yehuda says:

    Shalom Aleichem Rabbi Blumenthal. This is Yehuda. I used to comment here a number of years ago. (Remember Me?) I just happen to notice your recent (and to me startling) face to face exchange with Dr. Brown in August. I was most fascinated by your extended exchange on the topic of two loves vs one love. At the end, you asked Dr. Brown a question I had hoped you would ask which was how he would feel about a person, let’s call him Bob, worshipping another person (Let’s call hi Frank) while believing about that person exactly what he believes about Jesus. That led to a borderline comical exchange in which I had to laugh at your expressions of incredulity as he then called two loves one love.

    I had hoped that you would follow up with some points that you yourself had raised many years ago on this topic.

    1. What if our hypothetical worshipper, Bob, didn’t just believe that Frank was essentially the same as Jesus, but that Bob actually was a second incarnation of the one and the same Jesus? Would that change anything? He might still be mistaken but in his mind he’s worhipping Jesus.
    2. Once Dr. Brown acknowledged that this person was in fact an idolator because while he thought he was engaged in worshipping a manifestation of God he in fact was not I had hoped you might say, “even though he didn’t make an image? Because a few minutes earlier he was fixated on that being a an important distinguishing element of idolatry.
    3. You had once written an essay in which you imagined Jesus knocking on the door of a Jew and asking for his worship. And the Jew responded by saying Look, I’m not sure who you are but I’m going to go into the next room and pray to the God of Israel who created heaven and earth, and if you are who you say you are, then that should be sufficient. Is it, Dr. Brown?
    4. If a person engaging in this type of worship is in fact an idolator, then that means that worshipping what one believes is the human manifestation of God is in fact idolatrous unless and until you have adequate proof. If that is the case then is the only thing that separates christians from this misguided idolator, Bob, the “proof” of Jesus “miracles”? Is that consistent with the Torah? To accept we are all acknowledging would be idolatry on the basis of miracles?

    Just some thoughts

    A freilechen Chanuka

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