My Redeemer Liveth – Job 19:25

My Redeemer Liveth – Job 19:25

The book of Job describes how Job, a just man was afflicted by tremendous suffering. The book tells us how his friends discussed his suffering with him. In the course of the conversation Job declares; “For I know that my redeemer lives and that he will be the final one remaining on earth” (Job 19:25). Many Christians believe that Job was referring to Jesus and to Jesus’ eternal nature when he spoke these words. These Christians cannot imagine anyone else being called “redeemer” aside from the Christian Jesus.

The Christian conviction in the rightness of this interpretation is so deeply entrenched in the Christian psyche that many Christians see this verse as the highlight of the book of Job. I once spoke to a Christian scholar and when I mentioned the book of Job, he quoted this verse as if this was the centerpiece of the entire book.

But what is this verse saying? What is the context of this verse? What do the verses preceding and following this verse tell us about Job’s intentions?

Chapter 19 in the book of Job is one of Job’s responses to his friends. Job’s three friends pointed to Job’s suffering as a sign of Job’s sinfulness. They told Job that only sinful people suffer and that his suffering proves that he is unrighteous.

Job vehemently disagreed with the assessment of his friends. Job argued that he was righteous before God and that his suffering is unrelated to any sin that he had committed. In the course of his argument Job expresses a desire that his words be written in a scroll and engraved, with a pen of iron and lead that they be carved in rock forever (Job 19:23,24). Job felt that his arguments should be preserved for future generations.

It is in this context that Job speaks of his redeemer. Job is telling his friends that he is convinced of the rightness of his argument. If his friends fail to see the truth in his argument he wishes that his words could be preserved forever. Job tells his friends that he knows that future generations will vindicate him and recognize the rightness of his claims. If his words will be engraved in rock, Job is certain that truth will prevail and that the future generations will “redeem” him from the mockery of his friends.

The redeemer that Job is speaking about is not some divine redeemer that will take away his sins because Job did not believe that he sinned at all. Job was talking about a human redeemer that will take his side and accept the truth of his arguments. Job was expressing confidence that the last generation of men on earth will be men of truth. Job believed that truth must ultimately prevail and that falsehood cannot last. And because truth is on his side, he is confident that his redeemer must live and that those who side with the truth will outlast those who take the cause of falsehood.

It is clear that Job was not talking about Jesus and that he was not thinking about Christianity. In fact, Job was expressing confidence that humanity will ultimately come to the truth and that the light of truth will inevitably overpower the darkness of the lie. And since Job knew nothing of Jesus it is clear that he believed that this will happen without the services of the Christian Jesus. Truth will ultimately prevail. That is the message of this verse and that is the message of the entire Bible.

If you found this article helpful please consider making a donation to Judaism Resources by clicking on the link below.

Judaism Resources is a recognized 501(c) 3 public charity and your donation is tax exempt.

Thank You

Yisroel C. Blumenthal

This entry was posted in General, Scripture. Bookmark the permalink.

26 Responses to My Redeemer Liveth – Job 19:25

  1. remi4321 says:

    I cannot help but think that Christians do the same mistake than Job’s three friends when accusing the Jewish people of their sinfulness. “It must be because of your rejection of your messiah”, they say, “that your temple was destroyed!” “It must be because of your sinfulness that the holocaust happened.” But they do not realize that they are doing the same mistake than those three men. And at the end,when the righteous servant will be revealed, they will see that it’s because of their sins that Israel suffered, not because they refused to accept Jesus as their mediator.

  2. Listen to the voice of Yeshua the Jewish Messiah in the Gospels- not the voice of Paul the Pharisee, the self-appointed “apostle.” Most of the “Christian world” is doing Paul’s song and dance, when we SHOULD be following Yeshua – Jesus the Christ.

    [sing it to the tune of “Rapture” by Blondie]

    I’m Boss Paul, the Pharisee
    My hypocrisy’s plain for the world to see
    I travel the land and travel the sea
    to make a convert who is just like ME

    “All have sinned” – we know that’s true
    but it never means ME – it only means YOU
    My sins are all theoretical
    “I’m the worst of sinners”- but don’t ask where

    To be more like Jesus is what some strive
    except for me – I’ve already arrived
    I’m the perfect model since the road to Damascus
    What were Paul’s sins? Don’t ask us!

    I justify everything I do
    If I testify about myself it MUST be true
    I’m the only man in all history
    whose testimony doesn’t need two or three

    If I did something it MUST be right
    Don’t use the Scripture to shed any light
    Don’t do as I say, do as I do
    and then you can be a Pharisee too.

    • The Real Messianic says:

      Are you picking and choosing? If the gospels are true, then Paul is. If “rav” Shaul is not a true apostle, then your Yeshu is not either!

      • Fred says:

        Exactly! The New Testament is a mess, with textual authors contradicting each other’s theology at will and often. Paul vs Jesus is a war that Christianity itself cannot find an acceptable answer to without removing texts that cannot be harmonized. In fact , “Jesus the Jew” versus “Jesus the Jew hater” and “Jesus the mortal who worshiped God” versus “Jesus the infinite God who demanded worship for himself” (God forbid) is another internal war in the NT that cannot be solved but only ignored by the Christian.

        • Fred, you are right – Paul and Jesus can’t be harmonized. So most Christians ignore or marginalize or modify or censor or change Jesus, to make Jesus fit into Paul the Pharisee’s false teaching.

          And you are right, “the New Testament is a mess” –
          (The first, original “New Testament” was composed by the second century heretic Marcion, and he coined the term “New Testament.” His new “book” contained nothing except 10 of Paul’s letters and an abbreviated Gospel of Luke. There were no other “New Testament” books, and the Hebrew Scriptures were the “Old Testament” which was irrelevant, according to the heretic Marcion.)

          Many self-professed “Bible-believing Evangelicals” won’t listen to the words of Yeshua the Jewish Messiah (Jesus Christ) , because they are brainwashed through reciting their “mantra” – “all scripture is God-breathed.”

          They are really in the “cult of Paul”.
          When cult members repeat their mantra, it makes them deaf to the voice of God, unable to hear God. Instead, it puts their focus on their one “special man” above all others – his personality, words and teachings, character, life example, feelings, experience, intentions, mind, will, emotions, etc. Their cult leader is their hero – he is always right, could never be wrong about anything specific, and he must be obeyed in all things and never questioned. He will give himself a special title, write at least one special book, and claim special authority, with no need for a second witness to back him up.
          Here are 3 examples.

          .1) Fuhrer. The title of Adolf Hitler as the leader of the German Nazis, author of “Mein Kamph”. Mantra: “Heil Hitler.”

          .2) The self-appointed Prophet Muhammad, author of The Koran. Mantra: …..”and Muhammad is his prophet.”

          .3) Paul the Pharisee, the self-appointed Apostle to the Gentiles, whose 13 letters comprise one third of what, today, we call the “New Testament.” Mantra: “All Scripture is God-breathed….”

      • All educated Jews, including Yeshua (Jesus the Jewish Messiah) pick and choose Scriptures according to levels of authority and importance. That’s why you have a TaNaKh, Torah, Nabi’im, Kethuvim, not “The Bible.” We are SUPPOSED to elevate what is most important. The 66 Books of what we call “The Bible” today were never given to us as “one book”, and no one in these pages ever said that all Scripture is equal in authority or priority.

        Jesus did not write any books. He had 2 faithful eyewitnesses, Apostles Matthew and John, testify about Him and His teachings. These two witnesses are technically enough. Mark and Luke also compiled some additional testimony.

        As you probably know from the Torah, every matter should be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. So one supposedly “special man” with his supposedly “special writings” and “special claims” about himself is not a valid testimony.
        Paul was alone in his claim to be appointed an apostle. He didn’t know what an apostle was. Jesus and the Apostles He appointed all agree that there are only 12 apostles, who were eyewitnesses of the entire ministry of Jesus. Matthias is the 12th. Paul was not an apostle, and Muhammad was not a “prophet of God.”

        Yeshua was asked twice which Commandment is the greatest or most important one, (Matthew 22 and Mark 12)
        Both times Yeshua answered quoting the same two commandments, from the Law of Moses.

        Yeshua said that one of these two commandments is the first and greatest most important one. Which one is it? The one in Deuteronomy 6, or the one in Leviticus 19 ?

        “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “ is this: ‘Hear, of Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ [Mark 12:29-30, Deuteronomy 6:4-5]

        Jesus replied: “’Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.” [Matthew 22:37-38, Deuteronomy 6:5]

        Poem – What is love?

        Two men came to Jesus
        With different motivations.
        They asked Him the same question
        Relevant to all the nations:

        Which is the Most Important?
        The answer was the same.
        Jesus did not manipulate
        He was not there to play a game.

        “Love the Lord your God” said Jesus
        as He quoted from The Law –
        to fulfill and not abolish
        was His purpose, full of awe.

        Jesus did not make all Scripture
        Into one new great commandment.
        He summarized The Law and Prophets
        “First and Greatest” and “The Second.”

        The Love of God is higher
        Than the love of any man.
        Receive from God, give back to God-
        Then to others, that’s His plan.

        The Love of God involves much more
        Than simply “love your fellow man.”
        Worship, trust, and pray to God,
        and obey Him – that’s His plan

        To worship and pray to neighbors,
        Whoever they may be,
        Or trust and obey our enemies
        Would be idolatry.

        The love of God is first and greatest,
        And the love of man is second.
        “All we need is love” are words
        of dead Beetles on the pavement.

        “The entire law is summed up in a single command”
        are not the words of Jesus our Salvation.
        It’s false teaching of Paul the Pharisee
        an “accuser of our brethren.”

        “Love” without God is Satan’s word through Paul
        in his chapter to the Corinthians.
        “I will show you the most excellent way”
        is the road to eternal perdition.

        Where is God in Paul’s chapter on love?
        Nowhere in view of the eye.
        Paul sings about himself like a Mexican Mariachi
        “I, I, I, I.”

        Jesus is The Most Excellent Way
        Not the words of a Pharisee.
        The words of Jesus are very clear.
        Jesus said, “You must follow ME.”

        • The Real Messianic says:

          “All educated Jews, including Yeshua”

          Sorry you got that one wrong, where is the quote that show that he was educated?

          “Apostles Matthew and John”

          Matthew 1:1– The Gospel of Matthew, written by Matthew.

          Or is it just another invention by the catholic church?

          “Jesus is The Most Excellent Way”

          Jesus way leads astray by worshipping another god! You must follow me, a human in whose breath there is in his nostril? NO WAY!

          • Dear TheRealMessiah,
            I’m using the term “educated” referring to actual knowledge of Torah, not formal schooling.
            I admit a wrote a lot, so let me restate my central point.

            Yeshua said that one of these two commandments is the first and greatest most important one. Which one is it? The one in Deuteronomy 6, or the one in Leviticus 19 ?

            And do you agree on this particular point, that “The Shema” is the Most Important Commandment?

          • The Real Messianic says:

            There was a lot of self-proclaimed teacher. Yeshua was one of them. He copied a lot of other rabbi of his time, and it’s hard to know if his saying were actually his and not copied from somebody else. For the MOST important commandment, is there such a thing as an unimportant commandment? All HIS words are important. True, if you commit idolatry, it’s like broking all the commandments. You can teach all the Torah, but if you put another god (AKA Jesus) before HaShem, then you are not following the Torah at all. There are so many “messianics” who claim that they are not christians because they follow the Torah, but the truth, they are not following anything, because they do it to please their Yeshu, not HaShem! Matthew, why don’t you repent from your idolatry?

          • Dear TheRealMessiah,

            There have always been many self-proclaimed teachers.
            You can no doubt quote it better than me, but back around 2000 years ago Rabbi Hillel said that “love your neighbor is the most important commandment- everything else is commentary.” That was HIS opinion, and Paul the Pharisee agreed with him.
            Yeshua said no, that is the SECOND commandment. The first greatest and most important one is what you refer to as The Shema, in the Torah Deuteronomy 6.

            Jewish Rabbis love to brag about all the commandments – 613, right? But any reasonable person would have to admit that they can’t all be equally important, some are more important than others.

            You wrote, QUOTE:
            “For the MOST important commandment, is there such a thing as an unimportant commandment? All HIS words are important….”

            You are dodging the question. There is such a thing as less important, more important, and most important. It’s interesting that neither you nor “Bible-believing Evangelical Christians” want to give a straight answer to this question, but for different reasons, There are different ‘Taboos” you don’t want to break, I suspect. They don’t want to answer it, because then they would have to admit that “Paul was wrong.” You don’t want to answer it, because then you would have to admit “Yeshua (Jesus) is right.”

          • The Real Messianic says:

            Matthew, do you like arguments? I don’t have a problem admiting Jesus was right. He was actually right some times. There are things that are good in his teachings and I don’t have problems with that. The guy did say things we should follow. Paul too. Like “Do all things without complaining” That’s worth the mention and I don’t have a problem with that. I just thought about what David said, he did not say that the commandments for women impurities were not important for him, nor the commandments for the Kohen were not important. All the Torah is important. True, we have first to recognize G-d as one and ONLY one first, before we can apply them, and in that essence Jesus was not wrong to say that it’s the most important commandment. And the second is equally important, to love your neighbour as yourself. What gets me is the rest. That all knees will bow to your Jesus in the Non Testament, when in truth YVHV is KING AND LORD and all knees will bow to HIM, not your Yeshu. For the wise things that he said, they count for nothing for the idolatry of the New Testament, just because of that.

          • Dear TheRealMessiah,
            Yesterday, here on this thread above, I agreed with “Fred”. Yes, “The New Testament is a mess.” I’m not hear to preach “The New Testament” at you- because, practically speaking, for many people, the majority of the time, that means preaching Paul the Pharisee, rather than Yeshua, (Jesus the Jewish Messiah of the Gospels.)

            You wrote below, QUOTE:
            “All the Torah is important………in that essence Jesus was not wrong……..”
            “And the second is equally important, to love your neighbour as yourself.”

            No, it’s not “equally important” according to Yeshua, it’s in second place, under the “first and greatest” “most important” commandment in Deuteronomy 6.
            So you agree theoretically that Yeshua was not necessarily wrong, and COULD be right.

            Can you “cross the Rubicon” and move from theory to specifics? Can you say that the teaching of Yeshua, recorded in the Gospels of Matthew and Mark stating that The Shema is the most important commandment IS RIGHT? Not could be – but IS?

            And if you think the Shema is NOT the most important commandment, then what is it in YOUR view, based on the Torah?

          • The Real Messianic says:

            Yes, the Shema the basic from all the Torah.

            I have a question for you Matthew, who was Yeshua? a man? Was he more than a man? Was he divine? Is he your lord? Is he your saviour? Your redeemer? Is he G-d? Do you need to put Yeshua between G-d and man?

    • Sharbano says:

      What IS a messiah. It has a specific meaning in Hebrew which doesn’t apply to your character.

  3. He who as ears to hear the voice of God quoting The Law, let him hear.

    Parable of the House Painters

    A homeowner called his friend, who was a painting contractor. “Friend, I want to hire you and your team to paint my house and my garage. Paint the house first, and I’ll stay in the garage until you’re done. Then when the paint is dry, I’ll move back into the house, and you can paint the garage.”

    The painting contractor hired a new foreman named Paul, and gave him the homeowner’s instructions. (Paul insisted that all the workers show respect for him by addressing him as “Boss Paul.”) Paul called the team of painters together and told them:
    “Boys, we need to paint this garage and house. The quicker we do it, the more profitable it is for us. So get to work! Since the garage is smaller, we can finish that quicker. Then those who finished the garage can go help the others finish the house.”

    One worker objected: “But Boss Paul, those were not the owner’s instructions! We are supposed to paint the house first. Only after the house is finished and the paint is dry can we go and paint the garage.”

    Paul replied: “I’m Boss, you work for me, and you do as I say. We are painters, and we paint. We don’t have time for debates about ‘which one is first’. We need to get to work applying that paint to the garage and house as quick as we can. Which owner would be upset if we finished early? The job is to paint the garage and house – what difference does it make ‘which one is first’”?

    “It makes a big difference to the owner,” the worker objected. To which Paul replied, “you’re fired.” Paul then took his team of painters, and started painting the garage and the house.

    When the homeowner returned in the evening, he was furious. He had nowhere to sleep, and had to go stay in a hotel for several days. The homeowner’s friend, the painting contractor, apologized, and explained:

    “I hired a new foreman named Paul, but that was a huge mistake. He ignored your instructions that I passed on to him. You don’t know him, and I’ve just barely met him.
    To be extremely polite, I could say that Paul ‘says some things which are difficult to understand.’ To be more direct, I could say Paul talks like an arrogant megalomaniac with a messiah complex, proclaiming; ‘I am not under the law’ but yet making up his own laws as he goes along, that everyone else has to obey. Paul said: ‘I became your father…. therefore I urge you to imitate me,’ and ‘I have become all things to all men.’ Paul thinks he’s Boss, and doesn’t need to listen to your instructions that I gave him.”

    In Matthew 22 and Mark 12, Jesus identified two commandments, saying one of them is the first and greatest most important one. Which one is it? The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ?

    • CP says:

      Acts 15 (matter decided, letter sent)
      When Paul and Barnabas had a major argument and debate with them, the church appointed Paul and Barnabas and some others from among them to go up to meet with the apostles and elders in Jerusalem about this point of disagreement…….

      ……..Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to send men chosen from among them, Judas called Barsabbas and Silas, leaders among the brothers, to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas.

      They sent this letter with them: From the apostles and elders, your brothers, to the Gentile brothers and sisters in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia, greetings!……..

      ……..For it seemed best to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place any greater burden on you than these necessary rules:

      THAT YOU ABSTAIN FROM MEAT THAT HAS BEEN SACRIFICED TO IDOLS and from blood and from what has been strangled and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from doing these things, you will do well. Farewell.

      1Cor 8 (was Paul not listening?)
      With regard then to eating food sacrificed to idols, we know that “an idol in this world is nothing,” and that “there is no God but one.”……

      ……But this knowledge is not shared by all. And some, by being accustomed to idols in former times, eat this food as an idol sacrifice, and their conscience, because it is weak, is defiled.
      Now food will not bring us close to God. We are no worse if we do not eat and no better if we do.

      Rev 2 (Yeshua has the last word)
      To the angel of the church in Ephesus, write the following: …..
      ……’You have even put to the test those who refer to themselves as apostles (but are not), and have discovered that they are false.

      “To the angel of the church in Pergamum write the following: ….
      ….But I have a few things against you: ……..they would eat food sacrificed to idols……

      • Dina says:

        Ah, Matthew Perri! Matthew Perri and CP, this should be interesting!

      • CP Amen.
        No, Paul the false apostle was not listening – or more likely he was just choosing to be disobedient. No one appointed Paul an apostle, or recognized Paul individually as an apostle, or gave Paul the grandiose title “Apostle to the Gentiles.” Paul just made all that up, as an arrogant megalomaniac with a messiah complex……

        In Revelation 2 Yeshua is clearly speaking primarily against Paul the false apostle, (although not exclusively)….

        “What is an Apostle?”
        Here is the answer based on the original sources:
        The words and actions of Jesus and the Original Apostles in the text of the New Testament.

        .1) Gospel of Mark – time lag between being appointed and being sent
        “Jesus went up on a mountainside and called to him those he wanted, and they came to him. He appointed twelve – designating them apostles – that they might be with him…” [Mark 3:13-14]

        Three chapters later,
        “Then Jesus went around teaching from village to village. Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over evil spirits.” [Mark 6:6-7]

        .2) Gospel of Luke – time lag between being appointed and being sent
        “One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles: Simon…..” [Luke 6:12-14]

        Again three chapters later,
        “When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.” [Luke 9:1-2]

        .3) Gospel of Matthew – which is organized by theme, not necessarily in chronological order.
        “He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal disease and sickness. These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon…” [Matthew 10:1]

        Without any clear time reference, continuing on the theme of the Apostles, Matthew does record “These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions…” [Matthew 10:5] Matthew never said that the Apostles were “sent out” immediately after being appointed. If we didn’t also have the clear records in Mark and Luke, it would be a fairly logical assumption that Jesus sent them out right away, but it would still be just an assumption. In this case, that assumption would clearly be wrong. The Twelve Apostles were absolutely NOT sent out right away after being appointed Apostles, according to Mark chapters 3 through 6, and Luke chapters 6 through 9.

        So being an Apostle of Jesus involves being sent by Jesus, yes. But that isn’t the only meaning, or even the first and primary meaning. The first thing was “that they might be with Him” personally, together, for His entire earthly ministry, from the time of John the Baptist until Jesus rose to heaven. Jesus poured his life into the 12 Apostles for 3 ½ years very personally training them to be the leaders of the church, and Jesus chose Peter as first among equals.

        The NIV translation inserts the heading “Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas” for the passage Luke wrote in Acts 1:12-26]. The NIV headings were not part of the original text, and sometimes they can be misleading, but in this case I believe the heading is right on.

        Jesus and the Original Apostles knew what an Apostle is better than anyone else in the world. Why is this a strange idea? Why do so many people frequently attack and tear down and dismiss the Original Apostles, particularly Peter, as if they were all incompetent, stupid, and wrong in so many ways, and they didn’t even know what an “Apostle” was? The answer to that question is, they have been listening to the voice of Paul, rather than the voices of Jesus and the Original Apostles.

        As we consider the question “what is an Apostle”, we should carefully listen to the words of the leader that Jesus personally appointed as first among the Apostles, and trained personally for 3 ½ years, Peter.

        “It is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.” [Acts 1:21-22]

        Neither Paul, nor James, nor Luke were with Jesus and the Apostles the whole time, so they were not qualified to be a “witness with the Apostles of Jesus’ resurrection”, which is what it means to be an Apostle. Matthias was qualified, appointed, and later recognized as part of The Twelve. No one except Judas ever lost his apostleship.

        Responding to a question from Peter,
        “Jesus said to them:
        …you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” [Matthew 19:28]

        We cannot prove that Judas was present at that time, and we cannot prove that Matthias was absent at that time when Jesus spoke those words. Even if Judas was physically present, as we all realize now, he was not a true follower of Jesus. And even if Matthias was physically absent at that particular occasion, Jesus is still establishing the basic qualification for having one of the twelve thrones as being “you who have followed me,” not someone who will follow Jesus in the future, like Paul, James, Luke or anyone else in the world.

        At the Last Supper, Jesus said to His Apostles:
        “You are those who have stood by me in my trials. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred on one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” [Luke 22:28-30]

        Was Judas present when Jesus spoke those words? Even if someone wants to be argumentative and say we can’t prove that Judas wasn’t there at the time, we certainly can’t prove that Judas WAS there. Judas obviously didn’t stand by Jesus in his trial, as the whole world knows. But that was the requirement Jesus gave to “sit on thrones:” “You are those who have stood by me in my trials.” “You”, speaking to His 11 Apostles who had been walking with Him faithfully for 3 ½ years. Not others in the future who will follow the risen Jesus Christ. Notice that at the Last Supper, when Judas lost his throne and Matthias was definitely absent, Jesus chose to speak of “thrones” rather than “twelve thrones” as he had previously.

        The Apostle John recorded about the New Jerusalem,
        “The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” [Revelation 21:14]

        The Apostles are 12 faithful eyewitnesses who walked with Jesus during His entire earthly ministry, and Matthias is the 12th. That’s the short version of my definition of “what is an Apostle.”

        • CP says:

          Matthew Perri, Amen Amen.

          I am curious how you view the book of Hebrews, care to elaborate?

          • CP,
            Hebrews – a useful letter, by a humble author who chose to remain anonymous.
            (There is no good reason at all to believe Paul wrote it but there ARE good reasons to believe Paul did NOT write it.)…..

            Although it’s not “the word of God” and it doesn’t claim to be, it is well worth reading. No New Testament author claimed his own words were “the word of God” except Paul (sometimes in certain places). And none of them agreed with Paul’s opinion about his own words – and neither did Yeshua.

            Yeshua, Jesus, is the Living Word of God made flesh, and HIS words are what will never pass away – not “The New Testament” or “The Bible.”

          • Dina says:

            CP, while you guys are amen-ing each other, why don’t you ask Matthew which parts of Tanach he considers authoritative? And which parts are more authoritative than others? I think you might like to know.

  4. Tsiv Jacobson says:

    M Perri: Your origin is from a movement of Jews who didn’t like Paul and didn’t believe in the so called Virgin Birth. they died off or were killed. So much for their Jesus movement. You say you believe in Yeshua trhe Messiah. Upon what evidence. He fulfilled none of the Messianic promises in our T’nach. Doesn’t that bother you? Well it should. By the way that is why as Jews we have no reason to “consider his claims” That was done long ago. He failed just like all the messianic pretenders before and after him. May our true Messiah come quickly our world needs him.!

  5. Prue says:

    I parsed the sentence, “I know that my Redeemer lives, and he shall stand on the earth in the latter day.”
    I… not someone else, me
    Know… not believe, not think, not suppose, but know
    My… not someone else’s, mine
    Redeemer… not a king, not a warrior, not a philosopher
    Lives … not did live, not will live, but live as in now
    He … coming as a man
    Shall… not maybe, not possibly
    Stand… not recline, lie down – but stand for something
    Earth … here, this place
    Latter day… in the future.

    • LarryB says:

      With all due respect, to me, this is just Fake News. It’s not even good fake news. The idea of a man being your redeemer. Deut 13:5

Leave a Reply to yourphariseefriend Cancel reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Logo

You are commenting using your account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.